[164201] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Service provider T1/PPP question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jackson)
Fri Jun 28 21:43:01 2013
In-Reply-To: <616B4ECE1290D441AD56124FEBB03D0817145E74FE@mailserver2007.nyigc.globe>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:42:48 -0700
From: Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com>
To: Eric Wieling <EWieling@nyigc.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
The problem being a CLEC is getting access to repeater housings.
Usually limits you to a few kft. At least you can get up to 15mbps/pair now.
On Jun 28, 2013 6:23 PM, "Eric Wieling" <EWieling@nyigc.com> wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike [mailto:mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:26 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Service provider T1/PPP question
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> On 06/28/2013 12:56 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
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> > I think this post seems like a flashback. I would not consider a T-1 to
> really be broadband anymore and it is pretty much limited to a business
> environment the way tariffs work. As far as MLPPP, it seems to be pretty
> stable now where you need multiple bonded T-1s. We have a few sites
> running MLPPP with Sprint on Juniper and Cisco gear and have not had an
> issue with it. It is definitely not my preference for business
> connectivity anymore. We tend to look for Ethernet service which is way
> cheaper per mb than T-1 and requires less expensive terminal equipment in
> most cases. T-1s are the business solution where you need dedicated MPLS
> connectivity and fiber transport is not available. DSL or Internet VPN are
> OK but somewhat less stable for business class private network solutions.
> If it is internet connectivity they want you will get beaten up by the
> cable companies that can outrun and outprice you across the board. You
> will also have a heck of a time competing with incumbent and competitive
> telecoms in T-1s that have central offices or collocations in central
> offices. The economics just don't work if you don't have direct access to
> the cable plant. Maybe up until the telecom act but not now. How do you
> intend to get those T-1s back to you or are you a CLEC?
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> I am a clec with colocated facilities, and my targets are rural unserved
> areas where none of the factors above are considerations. I just want to
> connect with anyone who's done this and has a qualified technical opinion
> on optimal deployment strategies; the business considerations are already
> done.
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> Most "T-1" service these days seems to be delivered over HDSL. You may
> also want to consider EoC. XO uses Adtran CPEs for their EoC service,
> anything from 1.5Mbps to 20Mbps service over 1 or more copper pairs with
> good distances between repeaters.
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