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RE: Service provider T1/PPP question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric Wieling)
Fri Jun 28 21:21:36 2013
From: Eric Wieling <EWieling@nyigc.com>
To: Mike <mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:21:09 -0400
In-Reply-To: <51CE29AA.6040908@tiedyenetworks.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com]=20
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:26 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Service provider T1/PPP question
On 06/28/2013 12:56 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
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> I think this post seems like a flashback. I would not consider a T-1 to =
really be broadband anymore and it is pretty much limited to a business env=
ironment the way tariffs work. As far as MLPPP, it seems to be pretty stab=
le now where you need multiple bonded T-1s. We have a few sites running ML=
PPP with Sprint on Juniper and Cisco gear and have not had an issue with it=
. It is definitely not my preference for business connectivity anymore. W=
e tend to look for Ethernet service which is way cheaper per mb than T-1 an=
d requires less expensive terminal equipment in most cases. T-1s are the b=
usiness solution where you need dedicated MPLS connectivity and fiber trans=
port is not available. DSL or Internet VPN are OK but somewhat less stable=
for business class private network solutions. If it is internet connectiv=
ity they want you will get beaten up by the cable companies that can outrun=
and outprice you across the board. You will also have a heck of a time co=
mpeting with incumbent and competitive telecoms in T-1s that have central o=
ffices or collocations in central offices. The economics just don't work i=
f you don't have direct access to the cable plant. Maybe up until the tele=
com act but not now. How do you intend to get those T-1s back to you or ar=
e you a CLEC?
>
>
I am a clec with colocated facilities, and my targets are rural unserved ar=
eas where none of the factors above are considerations. I just want to conn=
ect with anyone who's done this and has a qualified technical opinion on op=
timal deployment strategies; the business considerations are already done.
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Most "T-1" service these days seems to be delivered over HDSL. You may al=
so want to consider EoC. XO uses Adtran CPEs for their EoC service, any=
thing from 1.5Mbps to 20Mbps service over 1 or more copper pairs with good =
distances between repeaters.
