[163629] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: huawei
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Warren Bailey)
Thu Jun 13 13:36:24 2013
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com>, Nick Khamis <symack@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:35:55 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CAMrdfRxTv6X5dwa-yhBa1oZhnarfmXr7=Y3RZMBQePKkuqfndw@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
They are a state controlled company. You think the PRC's party members dont=
call the shots? I've been to Beijing for work.. I can assure you the gover=
nment has a very known presence through the private community. Often times,=
graduates of their state run colleges enter the "private" sector to help t=
heir collective needs. China is an odd place, but in my opinion often they =
are underestimated. Look at their stealth plane, that's a good starting poi=
nt on their ability to borrow technology and implement it quickly. It's abo=
ut numbers over there, not sense.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com>
Date: 06/13/2013 10:22 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Nick Khamis <symack@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: huawei
Not really, no one has claimed it's impossible to hide traffic. What is
true is that it's not feasible to do so at scale without it becoming
obvious. Steganography is great for hiding traffic inside of legitimate
traffic between two hosts but if one of my routers starts sending cay
photos somewhere, no matter how cute, I'm gonna consider that suspicious.
That's an absurd example (hopefully funny) but _any_ from one of my routers
over time would be obvious, especially since to be effective this would
have to go on much of the time and in many routers. Hiding all that isn't
feasible for a really technically astute company and they're not in that
category yet (IMO).
On Jun 13, 2013 1:10 PM, "Nick Khamis" <symack@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/13/13, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
> > On 06/13/2013 09:35 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> >>
> >> I am assuming a not-Hauwei-only network.
> >>
> >> The idea that a router could send things through other routers without
> >> someone who is looking for it noticing is ludicrous.
> >>
> >
> > ::cough:: steganography ::cough::
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
> Well put!
>
> N.
>
>
