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From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> To: Ryan Wilkins <ryan@deadfrog.net>, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:27:33 +0000 In-Reply-To: <75A936E0-CE6F-497A-B9C1-D182F6C69F34@deadfrog.net> Cc: "members@wispa.org" <members@wispa.org>, "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>, NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org Now we are partying! Let me get on my computer so I can respond. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Wilkins <ryan@deadfrog.net> Date: 04/30/2013 3:16 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,"Aaron C. de Bru= yn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.= org> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? If you need more than a megabit, don't forget to factor in the link budget = and the resulting power and hardware requirements to support larger bandwid= ths. Then you're looking at something that is probably not available today= on the island. If the connection needs to be up 24/7, even in heavy rains= , then you're looking at something in C-band which then requires a larger a= ntenna. You'll be hard pressed to do any real bandwidth at Ku-band with an= ything less than a 1.2m antenna. C-band, you're looking at 3.7m or so mini= mum. The Ku-band iDirect system I manage for the City of Chicago runs 3 Mbps up = and 3 Mbps down at Ku-band. There are 6 remotes on the system, 5 are vehic= les. The vehicle antennas are 1.2m but they require 25 Watt amplifiers to = reliably close the link all the time. Clear day is fine on much less power= . Heavy rains, forget it. 25 Watts isn't enough. On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote: > Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be really f= ast. > > But cheap? Not for a quality connection. > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey > <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: >> Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way to= 6k >> a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the econom= ics >> work often. >> >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> >> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) >> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> >> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" >> <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.o= rg> >> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? >> >> >> Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment? >> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey >> <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: >>> Says.. Who? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> >>> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> >>> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn" >>> <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list >>> <nanog@nanog.org> >>> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? >>> >>> >>> It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey >>> <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: >>>> I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> >>>> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00) >>>> To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org >>>> Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity? >>>> >>>> >>>> Aaron, >>>> >>>> Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any >>>> Wireless >>>> ISPs over there that can help you. >>>> >>>> -Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn >>>> <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me. >>>>> >>>>> They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working on >>>>> getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all I've >>>>> been >>>>> told so far is they are 'near the naval base'. >>>>> >>>>> They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday". >>>>> >>>>> None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is acces= sed >>>>> via RDP on a server in the United States. >>>>> >>>>> Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San >>>>> Francisco >>>>> where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara desert >>>>> which >>>>> might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback... >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them >>>>> internet >>>>> access? >>>>> >>>>> -A >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Lyon >>>> 408-621-4826 >>>> mike.lyon@gmail.com >>>> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 >> > > > > -- > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 >
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