[162723] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ryan Wilkins)
Tue Apr 30 18:16:35 2013
From: Ryan Wilkins <ryan@deadfrog.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAN3um4wbC9tFU6sOX1q4ZMG4qwoOYS64ng7eVrSG4wrDDCsPAA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:16:23 -0400
To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
Cc: "members@wispa.org" <members@wispa.org>,
"Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>, NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
If you need more than a megabit, don't forget to factor in the link =
budget and the resulting power and hardware requirements to support =
larger bandwidths. Then you're looking at something that is probably =
not available today on the island. If the connection needs to be up =
24/7, even in heavy rains, then you're looking at something in C-band =
which then requires a larger antenna. You'll be hard pressed to do any =
real bandwidth at Ku-band with anything less than a 1.2m antenna. =
C-band, you're looking at 3.7m or so minimum.
The Ku-band iDirect system I manage for the City of Chicago runs 3 Mbps =
up and 3 Mbps down at Ku-band. There are 6 remotes on the system, 5 are =
vehicles. The vehicle antennas are 1.2m but they require 25 Watt =
amplifiers to reliably close the link all the time. Clear day is fine =
on much less power. Heavy rains, forget it. 25 Watts isn't enough.
On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> Bingo. And you're absolutely right in that setting it up can be =
really fast.
>=20
> But cheap? Not for a quality connection.
>=20
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Warren Bailey
> <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>> Depends.. Space segment runs from 1300 a mhz for inclined all the way =
to 6k
>> a month a mhz for hard to get weird stuff. We oversub to make the =
economics
>> work often.
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>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
>> Date: 04/30/2013 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
>> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn"
>> <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list =
<nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
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>> Yeah, how many thousands is it per meg of space segment?
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>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Warren Bailey
>> <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>>> Says.. Who?
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>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 04/30/2013 2:19 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
>>> Cc: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>,"Aaron C. de Bruyn"
>>> <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org,NANOG mailing list
>>> <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
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>>> It's the quickest but certainly not the cheapest.
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>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Warren Bailey
>>> <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>>>> I suggested VSAT. Probably the quickest and cheapest.
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>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 04/30/2013 1:35 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <aaron@heyaaron.com>,members@wispa.org
>>>> Cc: NANOG mailing list <nanog@nanog.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Andros Island Connectivity?
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>>>> Aaron,
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>>>> Cross-posting this over to the WISPA list to see if there are any
>>>> Wireless
>>>> ISPs over there that can help you.
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>>>> -Mike
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>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn
>>>> <aaron@heyaaron.com>wrote:
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>>>>> I just had a client drop an interesting requirement on me.
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>>>>> They are on Andros Island (Bahamas) for about a year. I'm working =
on
>>>>> getting an exact address from the adminisphere above me, but all =
I've
>>>>> been
>>>>> told so far is they are 'near the naval base'.
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>>>>> They just called and said "We need internet access yesterday".
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>>>>> None of the people on-site are technical, and all their data is =
accessed
>>>>> via RDP on a server in the United States.
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>>>>> Having never been there, I have no idea if it's like downtown San
>>>>> Francisco
>>>>> where the internet grows on trees, or if it's like the Sahara =
desert
>>>>> which
>>>>> might require dragging your own fiber in on camelback...
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>>>>> Does anyone have pointers on who to talk to or how I can get them
>>>>> internet
>>>>> access?
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>>>>> -A
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>>>> --
>>>> Mike Lyon
>>>> 408-621-4826
>>>> mike.lyon@gmail.com
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>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
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>>> --
>>> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
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>> --
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