[145674] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Sat Oct 15 16:42:47 2011
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <m2lism5a0t.wl%randy@psg.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:41:45 -0400
To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> =46rom what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody
>> reads this any more.
>=20
> some read it. we are the frustrated ones.
Some read it. I think everyone on NANOG is frustrated (or not paying =
attention).
I would suggest that you keep sending it, but I have no way to motivate =
you to do so other than to confirm I do read it.
> no one seems to act on it.
It is useful even just as data to show others, whether they act on that =
data or not.
>> Is there any good reason to persist in spamming the nanog list with
>> this report?
>=20
> not clear, sad to say.
>=20
> i really think that the only way to reduce fragging is filtering. =
maybe
> a bgp blackhole feed for frags for which there are covering prefixes?
If history is any guide, this will not work. Someone will listen, and =
those who do not will lose customer (i.e. money).
The Internet is a business, and therefore money talks. To date, no one =
has been able to prove to the bean counters that more prefixes means =
less profit.
For instance, I spoke to someone at the conference whose company is =
spewing 1000s of prefixes they do not have to. That person said "well, =
FIB compression makes everything OK, so it doesn't matter, right?" =
(paraphrased). This is a company who tells others "you have to pay me =
to use my resources", yet feels absolutely no qualms about using other =
networks' resources for free.
Hypocrisy is live & well on the Internet. (I know you are all shocked.)
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
