[137919] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Feb 22 18:44:24 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <D2A2A57F-721E-4F3A-8012-CF80B099FB9E@queuefull.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:41:26 -0800
To: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:
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> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
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>>> There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that
>>> IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this
>>> position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in
>>> operating production networks.
>>=20
>> excuse me!
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> Hi, Randy. I didn't mean to deny you exist; you apparently do. ;) =
But in my sampling, operators with the opinion that 'IPv4 doesn't =
matter' represent the minority. Of course, it also depends on how you =
define "doesn't matter". I think that ongoing operation matters, =
especially when "ongoing" means a continued expectation of both existing =
and new customers. It's easy to say, "burn the IPv4 bridge" so we're =
forced to migrate to IPv6. But it's another thing to actually do it, =
when you're competing for customers that want IPv4 connectivity.
>=20
We may be the minority, but, we have a lot more address space and no =
shortage of IP addresses.
How many IPv4 providers can say that?
> That said, we're not forced to choose only one: IPv4 vs. IPv6. We =
should migrate to IPv6 because it makes sense - IPv4 is going to become =
more expensive and painful (to use and support). That doesn't preclude =
us from patching IPv4 together long enough to cross the bridge first.
>=20
> Thoughts?
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Patching the deck chairs does not change the fact that the boat is =
sinking.
I suggest focusing on getting in a life boat. Deck chairs don't float =
very well.
IPv6 is a life boat. NAT444 and other IPv4 preservation hacks are deck =
chairs.
You can rearrange them all you want.
Owen
