[136882] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Feb 6 00:36:03 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <D6B73522-2FB1-416A-9F86-A596182E0761@queuefull.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:31:49 -0800
To: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
Cc: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:
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> On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:48 PM, John Curran wrote:
>> You are correct that consensus doesn't assure legality; hence
>> all draft policies receive a specific staff and legal review=20
>> during the development process.=20
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> Thanks, John. I'm aware of the legal review, as well as the AC and =
board "gateways" to policy adoption. I don't have any recommendation =
for improving that process, per se - just a healthy dose of skepticism =
that it will always result in alignment with the law, especially given =
that the legal authority of ARIN isn't clearly defined.
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> On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> As to reflecting community standards, I'm not sure what better =
measure of "community standards"
>> one could propose beyond a bottom-up open consensus driven policy =
process such as what
>> we have today.
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> Owen, my point is that the ARIN community does not necessarily reflect =
the community at large. Just like the common standards within the mafia =
community aren't necessarily aligned with the broader standards of civil =
society.
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It reflects those who care to participate. The process is open to anyone =
in the community that want to. That's as close as any body ever comes to =
such a thing.
Just like you don't get better politicians unless you vote, you can't =
get better ARIN policy unless you participate.
> If ARIN is appointed in an official capacity (i.e. granted such =
authority by the government, or by popular vote etc) to determine =
specific community standards then we don't have to worry. Otherwise, =
ARIN has to work carefully to ensure that it doesn't go awry. In that =
sense, the relative smallness of the ARIN community and ARIN's =
organizational momentum (natural to any self-preserving organization) =
should be of concern.
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An interesting perspective.
Owen
