[136879] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Benson Schliesser)
Sun Feb 6 00:25:08 2011
From: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
In-Reply-To: <D6C35C69-45E7-4E5C-BCB9-23BB52C64B01@delong.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:24:57 -0600
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>,
NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> The fact that a very large number of network operators use the data
> contained in the RIR system in a cooperative manner is convenient
> and makes the internet substantially more useful than I can imagine
> it would be under alternative scenarios. However, that does not mean
> that the RIRs are granting any sort of license, right to use, or =
ownership.
> Nor does it mean that terminating a registration constitutes taking =
away
> such a grant that was never given.
This is a pretty tenuous position. If the Whois database isn't =
specifying the proper association between an organization and an address =
block, what is it for? I think you're suggesting that the definition of =
"proper" in this case is no more than ARIN's non-binding recommendation. =
If that's the case then ARIN has no "authority" as the address =
registry. I think ARIN's own statements, relationship with NRO and =
IANA, etc, all contradict this.
On the other hand, if ARIN intends the Whois to reflect the proper =
association between organizations and address blocks, then it has some =
responsibility for the accuracy of that data. While not a perfect =
comparison, it would be somewhat like a financial services company hired =
to maintain shareholder ownership records of a public company - =
negligence in maintaining accurate records can result in criminal =
consequences. In fact, in my example, if the company decided to =
reallocate one group of shares to new owners they'd find themselves in a =
deep pile of trouble - we have laws that govern property rights, define =
theft and fraud, etc, all of which takes precedence over company policy.
It would be disingenuous to offer a database of information, recommend =
it be used by the public, support its use as an authoritative source, =
and then deny any responsibility for the contents. I don't think your =
position on this particular topic reflects ARIN in reality.
Cheers,
-Benson
