[136874] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Feb 5 23:53:45 2011
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <392168FC-210F-4E52-98B8-49F4BE84DBCD@queuefull.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:44:39 -0800
To: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Feb 5, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:
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> On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:27 AM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>>> If I justified an allocation 20 years ago, under the then current =
policy, it's presumptuous to presume the power of expropriation.
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>> No one presumes it, and a lot of us are in the same boat as you, some =
of the addresses we're using predating the RIR system.
>>=20
>> That said, there will always be people who will turn up on the =
mailing list, participating in the public policy process, who are not in =
that boat, and whose interests differ significantly, and who will speak =
in favor of those interests.
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>> And the consensus of the public, the people who participate in the =
public policy process, is what decides=20
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> The ARIN community decides ARIN policy. That policy doesn't =
inherently reflect "community standards" in the broader sense, or =
inherently align with the law for that matter. If the ARIN community =
were to instruct ARIN to operate in an illegal capacity, for instance, =
the fact that a "community" reached "consensus" on the matter would be a =
ridiculous defense.
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> Cheers,
> -Benson
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We have a lawyer that does an excellent job of advising us on legal =
concerns in our policy proposals.
That is part of the policy process. As such, yes, they do somewhat =
inherently align with the law.
As to reflecting community standards, I'm not sure what better measure =
of "community standards"
one could propose beyond a bottom-up open consensus driven policy =
process such as what
we have today.
If you know a better way to make policy reflect community standards, =
there is the ACSP and I'm
sure that the PDP committee would be very happy to get your input.
Owen
