[110398] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roland Dobbins)
Mon Jan 5 15:17:43 2009
From: Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@cisco.com>
To: NANOG list <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <49D22BC9-F5DD-4CD5-BF61-8762D008D92D@ianai.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:54:50 +0800
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> I can think of several instances where it _must_ be external. For
> instance, as I said before, knowing which intermediate networks are
> incapable of handling the additional load is useful information.
AUPs are a big issue, here..
> Without arguing that point (and there are lots of scenarios where
> that is not at all necessary, IMHO), it does not change the fact
> that external testing can be extremely useful after "air-gap" testing.
Agree completely.
> You live in a very structured world.
The idea is to instantiate structure in order to reduce the chaos.
;>
> Most people live in reality-land where there are too many variables
> to control, and not only is it impossible guarantee that everything
> involved is strict to BCP, but the opposite is almost certainly true.
Nothing's perfect, but one must do the basics before moving on to more
advanced things. The low-hanging fruit, as it were (and of course,
this is where scale becomes a major obstacle, in many cases; the fruit
may be hanging low to the ground, but there can be a *lot* of it to
pick).
> Remember, systems do not work in isolation, and when you touch other
> networks, weird things happen.
One ought to get one's own house in order first, prior to looking at
externalities. Agree with you 100% that they're important, but one
must do what one can within one's own span of control, first.
> Here we agree: Entertainment has (should have?) nothing to do with it.
Implementing BCPs is drudgery; because of this, it often receives
short shrift.
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