[108209] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: the Intercage mess
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James Ashton)
Thu Sep 25 09:43:22 2008
From: James Ashton <jashton@esnet.com>
To: William Pitcock <nenolod@systeminplace.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:42:55 -0400
In-Reply-To: <1222311156.20200.1364.camel@petrie.sacredspiral.co.uk>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
>No, but forcing them offline now that they are taking a new approach to
>handling abuse is ridiculous.
>
>Intercage are reaching out to the anti-abuse community and yet some
>people on NANOG keep interfering with the cleanup process. How do you
>expect them to clean up their network and return to normal operations
>(with considerably less abuse) if it keeps being disconnected?
>
>The shit isn't even there anymore. These kids have moved it elsewhere.
>Intercage have learned their lesson, just leave them alone and let the
>people who have *real* problems (e.g. me, Andrew Kirch of AHBL,
>Spamhaus, Gadi, etc.) with Intercage deal with this.
>
>If anyone has any issue with Atrivo/Intercage that still needs
>rectification: please contact me or Andrew Kirch offlist and we will
>bring it to their attention. We have contact with these people, and they
>are listening and taking action to clean up their network.
>
>If not, then please stop with this thread. It's not helpful, and it's
>certaintly counter-productive.
>
>William
William,
This above email is a bit off. It sounds a bit like you feel that Nanog is=
your (Gadi/you/Andrew/Spamhaus) stick to force Intercage to fall in line. =
Not that they have been whacked with the stick you want the rest of us to l=
eave them along so YOU can deal with it. But it is NOT your place to deal=
with it any more than it is mine. It is a community issue dealt with by th=
e community and if the community (I.E. those who have killed intercage's co=
nnectivity) choose to keep it that way as opposed to taking the chance that=
this company, with a LONG history, will continue to spew unwanted traffic,=
well... That's not your call.
It is not your place to tell someone else how to run their network and it =
is not your place to deal with the intercage issue on behalf of anyone else=
.
James
