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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song: Tradition versus the 21st Century
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rebecca Quodomine)
Mon May 31 20:12:26 2004
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:12:10 -0700
Reply-To: Rebecca Quodomine <aporogue@yahoo.com>
From: Rebecca Quodomine <aporogue@yahoo.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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as a female "brother" for over 10 years now i am offended by this. I do live in the 21st century. I joined a fraternity and pledged to be a brother. I could have easily joined a sorirty - bt they didn't intrest me. My aunt however is a little sister - as she joined before women were offically allowed in.
The message I am sending to my childen. I am proud to be a female member of a co ed fratnerity. Thru which I made some of the closest friendships of my life. I am teaching them that as a female i am seen as an equal member of the fraternity and am i a brother ? YES! and DAMN proud of it. All but one member of my wedding party were female brothers and that was my sister - same for my husaband - all his groomsmen were brothers but his childhood friend. - My pledge class - fall 93 = at Oneonta (Xi Rho) consisted of 13 female pledges who were all proud to stand up and become 13 female brothers.
Rebecca Qudomine
Rogue
Xi Rho Alum
Irwin Chui <Chewster97@aol.com> wrote:
Dearest Brothers:
You know, people "once said" that women should not join the U.S. Armed Forces, because it is a "traditional" male organization, along with the dangers of the enemy raping, having forced sex, or torturing a women prisoner of war that is unbearable to see or know about.
Well, look now...approx. 25% to 30% of the current U.S. military in Iraq are composed of women. Women that are willing to bear the ultimate sacrifice, just like their male counterparts.
The Toast Song debate has become a civil war affair between tradition versus global inclusive respect in the 21st century.
So, in that case, if the U.S. were to follow "tradition", just like what the proponets of the Toast Song in keeping "men of", why shouldn't the U.S. just do the following below:
1. Repeal the 19th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which allows women to vote.
2. Ban all homosexuals, lesbians, and transgenders, because religion explains traditionally it should be both a male and female.
3. Most importantly, abolish the 13th amenment of the U.S. Constitution, and impose slavery of people once again, because traditionally, the majority race should rule, just like motto of the Nazi German party.
Yes, in all fairness and justice, are we really the number # 1 service fraternity in the world? or do we just say that, because we can't and won't admit that tradition is much better off than equality. What kind of positive example and interpretation are we setting and sending to the younger generations around the world?
In LFS,
Irwin Chui
Section 4
Region X
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<DIV>as a female "brother" for over 10 years now i am offended by this. I do live in the 21st century. I joined a fraternity and pledged to be a brother. I could have easily joined a sorirty - bt they didn't intrest me. My aunt however is a little sister - as she joined before women were offically allowed in. </DIV>
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<DIV>The message I am sending to my childen. I am proud to be a female member of a co ed fratnerity. Thru which I made some of the closest friendships of my life. I am teaching them that as a female i am seen as an equal member of the fraternity and am i a brother ? YES! and DAMN proud of it. All but one member of my wedding party were female brothers and that was my sister - same for my husaband - all his groomsmen were brothers but his childhood friend. - My pledge class - fall 93 = at Oneonta (Xi Rho) consisted of 13 female pledges who were all proud to stand up and become 13 female brothers.</DIV>
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<DIV>Rebecca Qudomine</DIV>
<DIV>Rogue</DIV>
<DIV>Xi Rho Alum</DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Irwin Chui <Chewster97@aol.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Dearest Brothers:<BR><BR>You know, people "once said" that women should not join the U.S. Armed Forces, because it is a "traditional" male organization, along with the dangers of the enemy raping, having forced sex, or torturing a women prisoner of war that is unbearable to see or know about.<BR><BR>Well, look now...approx. 25% to 30% of the current U.S. military in Iraq are composed of women. Women that are willing to bear the ultimate sacrifice, just like their male counterparts.<BR><BR>The Toast Song debate has become a civil war affair between tradition versus global inclusive respect in the 21st century.<BR><BR>So, in that case, if the U.S. were to follow "tradition", just like what the proponets of the Toast Song in keeping "men of", why shouldn't the U.S. just do the following
below:<BR><BR>1. Repeal the 19th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which allows women to vote.<BR><BR>2. Ban all homosexuals, lesbians, and transgenders, because religion explains traditionally it should be both a male and female.<BR><BR>3. Most importantly, abolish the 13th amenment of the U.S. Constitution, and impose slavery of people once again, because traditionally, the majority race should rule, just like motto of the Nazi German party.<BR><BR>Yes, in all fairness and justice, are we really the number # 1 service fraternity in the world? or do we just say that, because we can't and won't admit that tradition is much better off than equality. What kind of positive example and interpretation are we setting and sending to the younger generations around the world?<BR><BR><BR>In LFS,<BR><BR>Irwin Chui<BR>Section 4 <BR>Region
X<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><p>
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