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[APO-L] Fw: [APO-L] Toast Song
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Gallagher)
Tue May 25 13:00:24 2004
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:00:14 -0400
Reply-To: Michael Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
From: Michael Gallagher <famtree@UDel.Edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Price, Todd" <Todd.Price@Detroitdiesel.com>
To: "'Michael Gallagher'" <famtree@UDel.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [APO-L] Toast Song
> Ah, good question. Probably might be worthwhile for someone to establish
a
> Yahoo group, and then send the link over APO-L. That might be the best
way
> to address the issue of getting everyone together :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gallagher [mailto:famtree@UDel.Edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:09 PM
> To: Price, Todd
> Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
>
>
> Good observation. How do we know each other exists & contact info for
> offline communication (you mean not by the list, or by phone or mail?)?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Price, Todd" <Todd.Price@Detroitdiesel.com>
> To: <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
>
>
> > Not to further innundate the e-mail boxes of Brothers, but an
observation.
> >
> > For the entire time I have been involved with this fraternity (since
> 1994),
> > this has been a topic of disucssion. And this has come up at all 5
> > Conventions that I have attended. And in every instance, it has not
> passed.
> >
> > I would observe that the reason that the song does not change is NOT
> because
> > 3/4 of all active brothers do not believe it should change, but because
> this
> > group of Brothers cannot agree collectively upon what version the song
> > should change to.
> >
> > On several occasions, I have seen voting delegates say, "They didn't
> choose
> > they way we prefer to sing it, so I'd rather just keep things the way
that
> > they are". And with division within the ranks of those desiring change,
> > stay the same way it always and forever will.
> >
> > The ONLY way that the song is going to change is for all of those
> > delegates/chapters who *really* want the change to, in ADVANCE of the
> > convention, agree to a common format that they can present to the rest
of
> > the Fraternity TOGETHER. When we see 30 different proposals go out in
the
> > legislation packets, and there is no statement at the beginning of
> > convention that the sponsors of all of those pieces of legislation have
> > talked and chosen to withdrawl all but ONE resolution from being
> considered,
> > the effort is doomed, irregardless of how hard the delegates debate the
> > issue in committee or on the floor.
> >
> > This statement is not intended to cheapen the work that has been done by
> > past committees and delegates on this issue, as this dialouge is a part
of
> a
> > neccesary process required to generate this kind of change. But the
cold
> > reality is that change will not occur so long as there is division among
> > those desiring a change to the Toast Song.
> >
> > I would encourage all of those who feel strongly on the issue to contact
> > each other offline and see if there cannot be a common ground/medium
> found.
> > I agree with many of the points made in support of advocating change,
but
> > the burden is (and rightly so) on the side advocating change. There
must
> be
> > unity in the message and change proposal or history will repeat itself,
> over
> > and over again if required.
> >
> > Best Wishes and Good Luck!
> >
> > In LFS,
> >
> > Todd Price
> > Section Representative - BB Chapter
> > Former Section 54 Chair
> >
>
