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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Pritchard)
Tue May 25 06:24:54 2004
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:24:49 -0400
Reply-To: Josh Pritchard <JoshPritchard@dreamachieving.com>
From: Josh Pritchard <JoshPritchard@dreamachieving.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <1085460879.40b2d18f7c4c3@webmail.mail.gatech.edu>
Ok - so each chapter has changed the toast song to fit its own
preference? I mean - it's a national song - it seems wrong to me that a
chapter can say, 'hey - I like it better this way' and do that - isn't
that why we have pages upon pages of proposed toast song amendments at
nationals? If chapters were able to change it, that wouldn't be a
problem.
~JP
-----Original Message-----
From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
On Behalf Of David Lomax
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:55 AM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
I don't like the idea of replacing the word "men" with "kin" or anything
else
for that matter. It sounds a bit too much like the theme song to the
Beverly
Hill Billies with the word "kin".
Our chapter is composed of relatively equal numbers of male and females,
and I
have heard no complaints about the toast song from anyone in our
chapter.
There is something to be said for keeping long standing traditions.
David Lomax
Gamma Zeta Chapter
Georgia Institute of Technology
gtg226h@mail.gatech.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Gallagher
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
But its bisyllabic whereas "men" is monosyllabic. that's why I
recommend "kin." Anybody agree? Those of you who disagree & haven't
told me
so & why, feel free to send comments to me. My inbox is slowly
decreasing in
size so I think it should be OK.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Rice
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
Hmmm... just a thought on this comment, and nothing more; It seems
that 'Brother' is a little different than 'men'.
I have found a legal precedent, I believe, to removing "men" from the
Toast
Song. This would not specify what should replace it. I was reading a
acquaintance brother's Web site, and this brother commented on how we
our
Toast Song is always an issue. This brother linked to a CNN article
explaining a change removing "men" from the Naval Academy's Alma Mater.
The
Academy went co-ed in 1976 just as we did, although I'm not sure
relatively
when the first female enrolled. Here's the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/20/naval.academy.song.ap/index.html
Here's the supporting data (unfortunately, no decision came up in the
search, but the words are as the article says).
http://www.usna.edu/USNABand/FAQ/Lyrics.htm#bluegold
I know this seems a bit like the 1930s or 40s Miracle on 34th Street
reasoning, but if the Department of Defense makes such a change,
shouldn't
we? After all, government changes have spurred actions by organizations
in
reactin for a very long time. Case in point our own going co-ed.
Michael Gallagher
Zeta Sigma Historian (& a Political Science major)
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