[24231] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Uniform Knots
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Settummanque, the blackeagle ((LTC)
Tue Mar 30 17:11:40 2004
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:11:25 -0600
Reply-To: "Settummanque, the blackeagle ((LTC) Mike L. Walton)" <blackeagle@usscouts.org>
From: "Settummanque, the blackeagle ((LTC) Mike L. Walton)" <blackeagle@usscouts.org>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <03E8CF5A1005AD4A9CB7419A1327DEE8012CA6A1@ngb-66c05-xch02.n
gb.army.mil>
I am catching up here and since there wasn't a followup to Brother Randy's
explaination, here's a little more information to
help you and other Brothers out!:
Brother Randy wrote in part:
>As stated on Ebay, these are Privately issued Knots. Which means they have
>just as much place on the scout uniform as the "Overtrained" patch or the
>translator strip for "Southern Drawl". Various brothers I've talked to have
>seen privately created patches with the phrase Alpha Phi Omega
>representative made up for use in the "position slot" of the uniform where
>Scoutmaster, Scribe or Den Chief go.
>
>At this time the only proper way to represent Alpha Phi Omega on a Scouting
>Uniform is through the use of the Alpha Phi Omega patch. It has the Alpha
>Phi Omega key on it (without the vertical column "behind") and should be
>either sewn on the optional patch location on the right pocket or with a
>small loop attached to the right pocket button. Other patches for Alpha Phi
>Omega Scouting events may of course be worn there as well.
If you *do* have one of those position patches or other APO "insignia" that
you want to wear with the official BSA uniform
(either the khaki-tan or the (kelly) green Venturing field uniform...it
MUST be approved IN ADVANCE for wear by your
Council's Scout Executive. This is NOT your "District Executive" nor
"Field Director" but the senior-most professional
manager in your Council. He (or she in two cases) MUST APPROVE WEAR...you
can't "wear it and beg forgiveness later".
The BSA is very concerned with "excess insignia" and stuff which doesn't
make sense (like the APO "knot emblem" which
doesn't represent an actual award - but just "signifies" you are a Brother
to others. It doesn't make sense when we as a
body already have a patch to "signify our membership" as Randy explains above.
If the Council Scout Executive says "no" (and to be bruntly honest, I hope
he DOES say "no"), that's it. You can't appeal
it to the National body because the wearing of special insignia in
connection with "national programming" is exactly what
the Council's Scout Executive is supposed to be approving for his or her
membership. Again, the "knot emblems" make
no sense at all...when there are better items to signify membership in our
Brotherhood.
I am proud to be one of the behind-the-scenes "instigatators" into
expanding the number of awards associated with the BSA's
Community Activities square knot insignia. This insignia, a gold square
knot on purple background, with a gold frame around
the knot, was designed by the BSA's Relationships Division to serve as the
equal to the existing youth and adult Religious
programs "knot emblems". ONE knot emblem would represent several service
awards given to adult Scouters from a wide
variety of community organizations. Presently, the Elks, the AFL-CIO, the
Masons, the American Legion and one other organization
(mind isn't working well today...) all have awards which "qualify" for wear
of the knot emblem...and like I said, there is a lot of
work being done to approve it for our service award as well as the
military's Outstanding Volunteer Service medal.
>However in the future, this will change slightly. The Scouting and Youth
>Services Committee is in the process of creating a Herbert G. Horton Service
>to Youth Award. This will be a National level Alpha Phi Omega award to
>single individuals (similar to the Corning Chapter Reviver award or the
>Maude Walker Young Spouse award (See
>http://www.apo.org/publications/documents/chapter_awards.pdf). Individuals
>who receive this award that are also members of the Boy Scouts of America
>may represent this award on their Boy Scout Uniform with the Community
>Organization Award Knot. (Gold on Purple). The fact sheet on the Community
>Organization Award including the other organizations with awards which allow
>the wearing of the Knot is at http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-582.html
>and a picture of the Knot is at
>http://www.usscouts.org/awards/community_org.html . The Herbert G. Horton
>Award does not require that that service be related to BSA.
This is a great thing, Randy....and I do wish the Committee well in their
quest...it sounds like a great service award which brings home
the ideals of our Fraternity....and it's members.
(Sorry about not meeting up with you in DC a short time back... my
assignment manager is working on that "next thing" for me to do and
the conference itself was powerpacked....hope to see you at Nationals,
though....)
Thanks for the opportunity to explain things further....
Yours in Leadership, a Brother always and forever in Service to you and
others whenever and wherever I happen to be,
Settummanque!
(LTC) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/
Edina, Minnesota
