[99410] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Bottle Opening and Drinking, al-Amarjan Style
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Aug 20 11:27:21 2014
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:27:13 +0000
In-Reply-To: <53F4B362.9030404@gmx.de>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
Voragh:
> > MO to 'ISqu' (1/02/2012): hole (like a hole in the ground) is
> {QemjIq}. This can also be used for the hollow in a tree. {qung}, the
> word for "hole in a musical instrument", can't be used for a hole in the
> ground, but it could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a shirt
> (including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a hole in
> the roof. You can fill ({teb}) a {QemjIq}, but not a {qung}.
> >
> > According to HQ 10.2:8, {qung} is to change the pitch in a wind
> instrument, apparently not a soundhole for stringed instruments.
> >
> > Based on this, I would say that the opening of a bottle (or jug) is the
> general {QemjIq}. {qung} seems to be restricted to the very specialized
> holes in wind instruments.
Lieven:
> Maybe you should adapt these notes. You cannot say "{qung} seems to be
> restricted to the very specialized holes"
>
> after reading Okrand's explanation:
>
> "{qung} [...] could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a shirt
> (including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a hole in
> the roof."[]
I should really read my own posts! jagh yIbuStaH!
So {qung} seems to focus on an opening *through something* while {QemjIq} focuses on an opening *into something (with a bottom)*, e.g. bottle, hole/pit in the ground, tree hollow, vat/keg, bowls, etc.
The musically "specialized" sense is thus an opening through the side of a tube (allowing air to escape or not) - would this work for a manhole (an opening into a sewer)? I'd imagine that tubes also have a {megh'an} and {'er'In} "end/(other) end" as well.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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