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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Bottle Opening and Drinking, al-Amarjan Style
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Aug 20 10:44:17 2014
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:44:02 -0400
From: SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <53F4B362.9030404@gmx.de>
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On 8/20/2014 10:40 AM, Lieven wrote:
> Am 20.08.2014 15:55, schrieb Steven Boozer:
>>> From my notes...
>>
>> MO to 'ISqu' (1/02/2012): hole (like a hole in the ground) is
>> {QemjIq}. This can also be used for the hollow in a tree. {qung}, the
>> word for "hole in a musical instrument", can't be used for a hole in
>> the ground, but it could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a
>> shirt (including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a
>> hole in the roof. You can fill ({teb}) a {QemjIq}, but not a {qung}.
>>
>> According to HQ 10.2:8, {qung} is to change the pitch in a wind
>> instrument, apparently not a soundhole for stringed instruments.
>>
>> Based on this, I would say that the opening of a bottle (or jug) is
>> the general {QemjIq}. {qung} seems to be restricted to the very
>> specialized holes in wind instruments.
>
> Maybe you should adapt these notes. You cannot say "{qung} seems to be
> restricted to the very specialized holes"
>
> after reading Okrand's explanation:
>
> "{qung} [...] could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a shirt
> (including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a hole in
> the roof."
The distinction seems to be that one side of a {QemjIq} does not have an
outlet, while a {qung} is a penetration in a barrier between one side
and another.
--
SuStel
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