[96206] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] pride and values
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gaerfindel)
Fri May 10 19:51:54 2013
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:51:26 -0400
From: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
In-Reply-To: <CABDLMbXiE+WiidAeSzPNx180oNY71uSp+vv=0OLfOhgqep9Kjw@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
On 5/10/2013 7:11 PM, Andr=E9 M=FCller wrote:
> I found a sentence in the paq'batlh that I think might either contain =
> a syntactical error, a new usage of a verb or simply a structure that =
> I cannot parse. It's on page 144-5, Canto 16, 2nd verse:
>
> tlhIngan wo' nur ghob je
> HoSmoH quvvam
> che'DI' molor nur ghob je pujchoHpu'
>
> With it, I restore pride and values
> Of the Klingon Empire, for under Molor,
> They have grown weak and faint.
>
> Actually {pujchoHpu'} means 'have become weak' and is intransitive, =
> but the things that got weak precede the verb. Might this be a mistake =
> and the intended reading shoud have been {che'DI' molor pujchoHpu' nur =
> ghob je}?
> Or could we now assume that {puj} is not only an intransitive verb =
> meaning 'be weak, be deluted', but also a transitive verb meaning 'to =
> weaken, to dilute' (note that we already have {pujmoH} with that meaning).
> Or could {nur ghob je} be analysed as some kind of apposition (is that =
> the right word?), literally "While Molor ruled, the pride and the =
> values -- they have become weak."?
> Or does that sentence have a different structure that I'm missing out.
>
> vuDraj vIlaD vIneH.
> - Andr=E9
>
It seems to me that the line "grown weak and faint" is a colourful means =
of parsing {pujchoHpu'}, although your theory about {nur ghob je} being =
some kind of apposition does have merit in my mind.
~quljIb
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