[95145] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ret
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sat Dec 1 22:44:35 2012
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 04:44:02 +0100
From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/1/2012 11:32 AM, De'vID wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A correction: {netlh DIS law' ret tIQbe' yuQvam'e' tIQ, Sornganpu'
>> HuDnganpu' lung'a'pu' loDHompu' je toq.}
>
>
> jIyajbe'. jatlhlaH'a' lung'a'pu'qoqvetlh? 'ej toq 'Iv?
>
>
> In order:
>
> {lung} means "lizard" (KGT 218) so a {lung'a'} would be a "great lizard."
> {lung'a'pu'} implies they're capable of language, so...
>
I guess I just don't recognise the original quite. "Tens of thousands of
years ago, this ancient planet was not ancient, tree-dwellers,
mountain-dwellers, (talking) great-lizards, and boys, [which is/are]
inhabited (?)".
> I indicated that {yuQvam}, "this planet," was the topic by adding the
> suffix {-'e'}. Ergo this planet (Earth) is/was inhabited by the creatures
> I listed. Given that I stated the topic in the previous sentence, I didn't
> think I needed to restate it in the second.
>
{toq} doesn't take an object. The way you're written the sentence makes it
look like it's being applied adjectivally to {Sornganpu' HuDnganpu'
lung'a'pu' loDHompu' je}, which doesn't seem to be part of the previous
sentence. This is why I asked {toq 'Iv?} "who (i.e., among the
tree-dwellers, mountain-dwellers, talking giant-lizards, and boys) is/are
inhabited?" That is, which of those nouns does (the apparent adjective)
{toq} apply to?
Either the punctuation is incorrect (how does everything after the {tIQ}
relate to the sentence before it?), or the sentence is missing something
(maybe it should be {tIQbe'taHvIS}?), and/or you mean something like {Dab}
rather than {toq} (in which case the subject is the creatures and the
object is the planet). As written, I don't seem to be able to parse your
sentence grammatically, although I think I now get the gist of what you're
trying to say.
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De'vID
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 2=
, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Gaerfindel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gaerf=
indel@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gaerfindel@hotmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>On 12/1/2012 11:32 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Gaerfindel <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gaerfindel@hotmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-sty=
le:solid;padding-left:1ex">
A correction: {netlh DIS law' ret tIQbe' yuQvam'e&#=
39; tIQ,
Sornganpu' HuDnganpu' lung'a'pu' loDHompu&#=
39; je toq.}</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
jIyajbe'. =A0jatlhlaH'a' lung'a'pu'qoqvetlh=
? =A0'ej toq 'Iv?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
In order:<br>
<br>
{lung} means "lizard" (KGT 218) so a {lung'a'} would =
be a "great
lizard."=A0 {lung'a'pu'} implies they're capable o=
f language, so...<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess I just =
don't recognise the original quite. =A0"Tens of thousands of years=
ago, this ancient planet was not ancient, tree-dwellers, mountain-dwellers=
, (talking) great-lizards, and boys, [which is/are] inhabited (?)".</d=
iv>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left=
-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
I indicated that {yuQvam}, "this planet," was the topic by ad=
ding
the suffix {-'e'}.=A0 Ergo this planet (Earth) is/was inhabited=
by the
creatures I listed.=A0 Given that I stated the topic in the previous
sentence, I didn't think I needed to restate it in the second.<br><=
/div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>{toq} doesn=
9;t take an object. =A0The way you're written the sentence makes it loo=
k like it's being applied adjectivally to=A0{Sornganpu' HuDnganpu&#=
39; lung'a'pu' loDHompu' je}, which doesn't seem to be =
part of the previous sentence. =A0This is why I asked {toq 'Iv?} "=
who (i.e., among the tree-dwellers, mountain-dwellers, talking giant-lizard=
s, and boys) is/are inhabited?" =A0That is, which of those nouns does =
(the apparent adjective) {toq} apply to?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Either the =
punctuation is incorrect (how does everything after the {tIQ} relate to the=
sentence before it?), or the sentence is missing something (maybe it shoul=
d be {tIQbe'taHvIS}?), and/or you mean something like {Dab} rather than=
{toq} (in which case the subject is the creatures and the object is the pl=
anet). =A0As written, I don't seem to be able to parse your sentence gr=
ammatically, although I think I now get the gist of what you're trying =
to say.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">-- <br>De&#=
39;vID<br>
</div>
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