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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 9. DabuQlu'DI',
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Aug 20 01:36:16 2012
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:35:52 -0600
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
Cc: "<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On 2012-08-19, at 22:56, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> jIghItlhpu', jIjatlh:
> > Warnings: Violence, injury and killing. No gore=20
> > though. Qov'll be disappointed.
>=20
> jangpu' Qov, jatlh:
> > No sex either, I'm guessing.
>=20
> wej. :)
non vedo l'ora!
> jIH:
> > SarghDajDaq toS
>=20
> Qov:
> > vIparHa'. Doy'law' toSwI'. Doy'be'chugh chaq Sup. 'a toS 'Iv? roStevan? n=
ov?
>=20
> SarghDajDaq toS nov. naDev ghItlh vIchevmoHpu'mo' mISlu'ba'. toSwI' vIchel=
.
maj.=20
> jIH:
> > =96 qatlh toy'wI''a'pu' SoQ buSnIS ghaH? pa'vo'=20
> > mejchoH SarghDaj lIghtaHvIS. chaHvaD jangQo', chaHvaD De' luSovnISbogh '=
angQo'.
>=20
> Qov:
> > Huj. pay' nov yab wIDanlaw'. qechmeyDaj vIQoy 'e' vIpIHbe'.
>=20
> wIch 'oH! 'ach qayaj. {-Qo'} vaD nIv {-law'Qo'} 'e' DaHar'a'?
muyajmoH.=20
> jIH:
> > SuvwI' lutlhapmeH lucholchoH toy'wI''a'pu'; 'ej chaH HIv SuvwI'.
>=20
> Qov:
> > There might have been an intermediate step=20
> > available to roStevan, between "talk to him" and=20
> > "capture him." Maybe bring him a hanky and a=20
> > bologna sandwich. But I guess roStevan isn't used=20
> > to people not deigning to talk to his minions.
>=20
> qutluch patlh vuvnISlu' 'e' pIH. The one percent work in a different minds=
et. :)
qen 'Italya' qun vIlaD. che'taH choQun.=20
> Qov:
> > SaHqu'. qatlh ra'be', "peDoH" Heghpa' Hoch?
>=20
> nom HIvmo' SuvwI' nov 'ej roStevan merqu'mo'. 'e' vIloy.
vIlaj.=20
> jIH:
> > SarghmeyDajDaq toS roStevan 'avtanDIl je,
>=20
> Qov:
> > You're going for the English style "each on his=20
> > horse".
>=20
> You do me too much credit - this was a Qagh, pure and simple. The original=
text mentioned only Rostevan getting on his horse, so I translated that. Th=
en on rereading I thought, well, surely Avtandil's going to be doing so too.=
So I added 'avtanDIl, but without altering whose Sarghmey they were. vItI'.=
There are sooo many errors of that ilk in nuq bop bom.=20
> jIH:
> > 'ej loD Huj lutlha'choH chaH. Hemlaw' 'ej=20
> > nguqlaw' loDvetlh; Sargh quSDaq ba'taHvIS,=20
> > poSvo' nIHDaq, nIHvo' poSDaq DavtaH;
That's a weird way to ride a horse. One expects maybe jIm or tor, but Dav at=
a pace above walk? Did you check the original to see if maybe the trsnslato=
r couldn't ride?
> tlhoS=20
> > puvlaw' SarghDaj'e' qettaHvIS 'oH. Hatlh=20
> > wovtaHmo' jul, ghaH tlha'lI' 'utlh 'avtanDIl je pay' 'e' tu' loD Huj.
>=20
> Qov:
> > bortaS!
>=20
> Hm, maybe a nice revenge proverb would go well in this paragraph!
>=20
> jIH:
> > tu'DI', SarghDaj 'o' mupmeH ghanjaqDaj lo'.
>=20
> Qov:
> > 'oy'! rotlhbej Sarghvetlh.
>=20
> na'!
>=20
> jIH:
> > ghIq ngabchu', leghlaHbe'chu' vay'. ngechDaq
>=20
> Qov:
> > chaq Seq QaQ law' ngech QaQ puS. mung Hol mu'=20
> > vISovbe' 'ach chal Daqelmo' chaq Seq DaqelnIS.
>=20
> /kvesk'neli/ "underworld" 'oH Georgia Hol mu''e' ("heaven" lo' je chovnatl=
h wa'DIch), vaj loQ ram. 'ach {Seq} vIparHa'qu'. vIlo'.
Seq/chal is a better marchimg pair to me than ngech/chal. ngech/HuD are atta=
inable opposites while Seq/chal are opposites attainable only by mythic figu=
res.=20
> jIH:
> > ghIrlaw'pu', chalDaq Sallaw'pu'; lunejtaH=20
> > 'avtanDIl roStevan je, 'ach HeDaj lutu'laHbe'chu'. yav lu'uypu'bogh
>=20
> Qov:
> > maj. qech yajlaHchu' vay'. Dach mu' 'e'' Sovbe'.
>=20
> 'ej qay'be'.
>=20
> > qamDu'Daj SamtaH 'e' lunID, 'ach lujchu'mo'=20
> > SIvtaH chaH. vaj narghta' loD Huj 'ej ngabta';=20
> > qa' rur. Heghpu'wI'pu'DajvaD beymey jach=20
> > negh[1]; rIQpu'wI'pu'DajDaq Sevmey qat negh.
>=20
> Qov:
> > vaj yIn 'op. Hegh Hoch 'e' vIHar. negh ghaH'a'=20
> > toy'wI'? negh ghaHbe'chugh vaj chay' rIQchoH negh?
>=20
> HIja', negh chaH je toy'wI'pu''e'. nIch raQmeH mIw luSovba', vaj negh chaH=
'e' vIQub. jIchuH.
>=20
> (poD vay')
>=20
> jIH:
> > [1] I got a bit confused as to whether=20
> > inherently plural nouns also take singular=20
> > possessive suffixes: so negh Sarghmey =3D=20
> > SarghmeyDaj. This is how I'm presuming it works.
>=20
> Qov:
> > I would be confused by SarghDajDaq toS negh, but it's an excellent quest=
ion.
>=20
> I would have been at first as well. tetlhHom tetlh tetlh'a' mojtaH ghelmeH=
qep'a' tetlhwIj.
>=20
> QeS
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jIghItlhpu', jIjatlh:<br>> Warnings: Violence, injury and killing. No gor=
e <br><div>> though. Qov'll be disappointed.<br><br>jangpu' Qov, jatlh:<b=
r>> No sex either, I'm guessing.<br><br>wej. :)<br></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div>non vedo l'ora!<div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> SarghDajDaq toS<br><br>Qov:<br>> vI=
parHa'. Doy'law' toSwI'. Doy'be'chugh chaq Sup. 'a toS 'Iv? roStevan? nov?=
<br><br>SarghDajDaq toS nov. naDev ghItlh vIchevmoHpu'mo' mISlu'ba'. toSwI' v=
Ichel.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>maj. </div><div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> =E2=80=
=93 qatlh toy'wI''a'pu' SoQ buSnIS ghaH? pa'vo' <br>> mejchoH SarghDaj lI=
ghtaHvIS. chaHvaD jangQo', chaHvaD De' luSovnISbogh 'angQo'.<br><br>Qov:<br>=
> Huj. pay' nov yab wIDanlaw'. qechmeyDaj vIQoy 'e' vIpIHbe'.<br><br>wIch=
'oH! 'ach qayaj. {-Qo'} vaD nIv {-law'Qo'} 'e' DaHar'a'?<br></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div>muyajmoH. </div><div><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> SuvwI' lutlhapmeH lucholc=
hoH toy'wI''a'pu'; 'ej chaH HIv SuvwI'.<br><br>Qov:<br>> There might have=
been an intermediate step <br>> available to roStevan, between "talk to h=
im" and <br>> "capture him." Maybe bring him a hanky and a <br>> bolog=
na sandwich. But I guess roStevan isn't used <br>> to people not deigning=
to talk to his minions.<br><br>qutluch patlh vuvnISlu' 'e' pIH. The one per=
cent work in a different mindset. :)<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>qen 'Italya' qun vIlaD. che'taH choQun. </div><div><br><=
/div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Qov:<br>> SaHqu=
'. qatlh ra'be', "peDoH" Heghpa' Hoch?<br><br>nom HIvmo' SuvwI' nov 'ej roSt=
evan merqu'mo'. 'e' vIloy.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
vIlaj. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>jIH:<br>> SarghmeyDajDaq toS roStevan 'avtanDIl je,<br><br>Qov:<br>&g=
t; You're going for the English style "each on his <br>> horse".<br><br>Y=
ou do me too much credit - this was a Qagh, pure and simple. The original te=
xt mentioned only Rostevan getting on his horse, so I translated that. Then o=
n rereading I thought, well, surely Avtandil's going to be doing so too. So I=
added 'avtanDIl, but without altering whose Sarghmey they were. vItI'.<br><=
/div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>There are sooo many errors of t=
hat ilk in nuq bop bom. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> 'ej loD Huj lutlha'choH chaH. Hemlaw' 'ej <=
br>> nguqlaw' loDvetlh; Sargh quSDaq ba'taHvIS, <br>> poSvo' nIHDaq, n=
IHvo' poSDaq DavtaH; </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>That's a w=
eird way to ride a horse. One expects maybe jIm or tor, but Dav at a pace ab=
ove walk? Did you check the original to see if maybe the trsnslator couldn't=
ride?</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>tl=
hoS <br>> puvlaw' SarghDaj'e' qettaHvIS 'oH. Hatlh <br>> wovtaHmo' jul=
, ghaH tlha'lI' 'utlh 'avtanDIl je pay' 'e' tu' loD Huj.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=
bortaS!<br><br>Hm, maybe a nice revenge proverb would go well in this parag=
raph!<br><br>jIH:<br>> tu'DI', SarghDaj 'o' mupmeH ghanjaqDaj lo'.<br><br=
>Qov:<br>> 'oy'! rotlhbej Sarghvetlh.<br><br>na'!<br><br>jIH:<br>> ghI=
q ngabchu', leghlaHbe'chu' vay'. ngechDaq<br><br>Qov:<br>> chaq Seq QaQ l=
aw' ngech QaQ puS. mung Hol mu' <br>> vISovbe' 'ach chal Daqelmo' chaq Se=
q DaqelnIS.<br><br>/kvesk'neli/ "underworld" 'oH Georgia Hol mu''e' ("heaven=
" lo' je chovnatlh wa'DIch), vaj loQ ram. 'ach {Seq} vIparHa'qu'. vIlo'.<br>=
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Seq/chal is a better marchimg p=
air to me than ngech/chal. ngech/HuD are attainable opposites while Seq/chal=
are opposites attainable only by mythic figures. </div><div><br><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> ghIrlaw'pu', cha=
lDaq Sallaw'pu'; lunejtaH <br>> 'avtanDIl roStevan je, 'ach HeDaj lutu'la=
Hbe'chu'. yav lu'uypu'bogh<br><br>Qov:<br>> maj. qech yajlaHchu' vay'. Da=
ch mu' 'e'' Sovbe'.<br><br>'ej qay'be'.<br><br>> qamDu'Daj SamtaH 'e' lun=
ID, 'ach lujchu'mo' <br>> SIvtaH chaH. vaj narghta' loD Huj 'ej ngabta'; <=
br>> qa' rur. Heghpu'wI'pu'DajvaD beymey jach <br>> negh[1]; rIQpu'wI'=
pu'DajDaq Sevmey qat negh.<br><br>Qov:<br>> vaj yIn 'op. Hegh Hoch 'e' vI=
Har. negh ghaH'a' <br>> toy'wI'? negh ghaHbe'chugh vaj chay' rIQchoH neg=
h?<br><br>HIja', negh chaH je toy'wI'pu''e'. nIch raQmeH mIw luSovba', vaj n=
egh chaH 'e' vIQub. jIchuH.<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>jIH:<br>> [1] I got a=
bit confused as to whether <br>> inherently plural nouns also take singu=
lar <br>> possessive suffixes: so negh Sarghmey =3D <br>> SarghmeyDaj.=
This is how I'm presuming it works.<br><br>Qov:<br>> I would be confused=
by SarghDajDaq toS negh, but it's an excellent question.<br><br>I would hav=
e been at first as well. tetlhHom tetlh tetlh'a' mojtaH ghelmeH qep'a' tetlh=
wIj.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div>
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