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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 10. reH tay'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Aug 20 01:54:06 2012
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W164467B668A8918FE38BB4AAB90@phx.gbl>
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:53:48 -0600
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
Cc: "<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On 2012-08-19, at 23:29, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> jatlhpu' Qov:
> > tlhoS 'ay' Hut vIpojta' 'ach wej vIlab. De'wI'wIjDaq tu'lu'. DaH De'wI'v=
etlh vInaw'laHbe' 'ach poH vIghaj.=20
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> qay'be' - bIpojmeH poH DaghajtaHvIS motlh jIQongtaH jIH!
DaH jIQongnIS jIH 'ach bom vIqel 'e' vImaS ...
> taH:
> > meQtaHmo' ngem Qu'maj bot tlhIch, vaj mapuvbe'.
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> Do'Ha'.
loQ Do'. jIleSlaH.=20
> jIH:
> > Hoch nuv; 'ItchoH Hoch. jatlh 'op: =ABlughchu' 'utlhma'.=BB jatlh 'op: =AB=
Qu'vatlh! =BB
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> Qov:
> > muHaghmoH. jottaHvIS 'utlh naD 'op, mu'qaDmey jatlhtaHvIS latlhpu'. ( 'a=
vIyaj).=20
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> Hochlogh Hoch nuv belmoHlaHbe' vay'. :)
mubelmoH.=20
> Qov:
> > 'avwI' DaDI' mangghom ra'wI' chaq Qagh. 'avwI' Qu' Sovqu' 'avwI'. 'ach S=
eQ Qu'vam 'ej voDleH 'utlh quvmoH 'avwI' patlh.=20
>=20
> chaq Qagh. But Rustaveli goes to excruciating lengths to make it clear how=
awesome Avtandil is at pretty much everything. Presumably guarding is anoth=
er thing he can do, apart from ride horses and be hot and skewer defenceless=
animals at a hundred paces.
I wonder who instructed him in the many arts he knows. And I wonder if tIna'=
tIn has had any instruction. And I've really been on the road a little long.=
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> jIH:
> > tagha' 'IQtaH vavDaj 'e' Qoy tIna'tIn, vaj QamchoH 'ej vavDaj lojmIt cho=
l. 'avwI'
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> Qov:
> > 'avwI' motlh ghaHbe'. 'avtanDIl ghaH. 'avtaHbe''a' 'avtanDIl?
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> As you realise in the next couple of lines, 'avtanDIl is inside, with anot=
her guard outside. On rereading it's really not clear from the outset though=
so I've added a bit to clarify.
maj.=20
> Qov:
> > toH lojmIt wa'DIch 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej lojmIt cha'DIch 'av 'avtanDIl.
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> 'e' vIqelbe'. HurDaq 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej qoDDaq 'av 'avtanDIl 'e' vIQub. '=
ach cha' lojmIt lutu'lu'chugh, qay'be'; ram.
rambe'. qoDDaq 'avtanDIl tu'lu'chug vaj qatlh tIna'tIn leghbe' roStevan? SaQ=
taH 'ach QIpbe'.=20
> jIH:
> > qaStaH jaj. tugh tlhob roStevan 'utlh, jatlh: =ABnuq ta'taH puqbe'wI', b=
elwI' naghbochwI' je, yInwIj rachwI'?=BB[1]
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> Qov:
> > How she isn't spoiled rotten I don't know.
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> Heh. How does one raise a princess to NOT be spoiled?
Responsibility. And after all if everyone agreed so readily that she was rea=
dy to be king, she must have had opportunity to demonstrate her leadership.=20=
> (poD vay')
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> jIH:
> > belwIj Haw'moHta'bogh wanI' qaja'.=9B=BB
> > Qoy tIna'tIn, vaj QamchoH ghaH 'ej vavDaj jaH.
>=20
> Qov:
> > It's sweet, the respect among that family is something the common man ca=
n strive for, more than the wanton slaughter of game and luxurious parties.
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> I think that's part of why the poem's so popular in Georgia. It's about th=
ese high-falutin' types but they still display values worthy of emulating.
I can see that.=20
> jIH:
> > jang 'utlh. =AB'o puqwI',=BB jatlh, =AB'IQqu'mo' ghu'vam jI'It, 'ach qal=
eghmo' 'ej bIyInmo' SoH jIbelchu'. pay' nom jI'IQHa'choHchu'pu'; 'IQbe'moHme=
H Hergh DaDachu'. muDuQpu'bogh wanI' qaja'pu'DI', mubechmoHbogh ghu' bep je D=
ayajchoH 'e' vIHar.=BB
>=20
> Qov:
> > joSmey 'Ijbe'law' tIna'tIn. Heghpu'bogh toy'wI'pu' qorDu'mo' jupmo' je t=
ugh wanI'vetlh Sov Hoch 'e' vIpIH.=20
>=20
> chaq toy'wI'pu'vaD wej jatlhpu' tIna'tIn. HoSghajchugh nugh qutluch palth,=
chuQun toy'wI'pu' je luchevqu'lu'; chaq naDev qaS je.
waqmeyDaj'e' tuQmoH'a' tIna'tIn? I figured they'd be as ubiquitous as furnit=
ure.=20
> > Hogh veb pa'wIjl DaDab, qar'a'?
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> qarbej, cholajqangtaHchugh. qay'be'taH, qar'a'?
Dun.=20
> bIpawDI', mapawlaw'pu'qu' ghunchu'wI' jIH je, vaj mebpa'meyDaq pIlegh!
pa'vaD ponglIj vIjatlhpu' 'e' vIHar. vI'ol.=20
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jatlhpu' Qov:<br>> tlhoS 'ay' Hut vIpojta' 'ach wej vIlab. De'wI'wIjDaq t=
u'lu'. DaH De'wI'vetlh vInaw'laHbe' 'ach poH vIghaj. <br><div><br>qay'be' - b=
IpojmeH poH DaghajtaHvIS motlh jIQongtaH jIH!<br></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div>DaH jIQongnIS jIH 'ach bom vIqel 'e' vImaS ...<div><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>taH:<br>> meQtaHmo' ng=
em Qu'maj bot tlhIch, vaj mapuvbe'.<br><br>Do'Ha'.<br></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div>loQ Do'. jIleSlaH. </div><div><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> Hoch nuv; 'ItchoH Hoch.=
jatlh 'op: =C2=ABlughchu' 'utlhma'.=C2=BB jatlh 'op: =C2=ABQu'vatlh! =C2=BB=
<br><br>Qov:<br>> muHaghmoH. jottaHvIS 'utlh naD 'op, mu'qaDmey jatlhtaHv=
IS latlhpu'. ( 'a vIyaj). <br><br>Hochlogh Hoch nuv belmoHlaHbe' vay'. :)<br=
></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>mubelmoH. </div><div><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Qov:<br>> 'avwI' Da=
DI' mangghom ra'wI' chaq Qagh. 'avwI' Qu' Sovqu' 'avwI'. 'ach SeQ Qu'vam 'ej=
voDleH 'utlh quvmoH 'avwI' patlh. <br><br>chaq Qagh. But Rustaveli goes to e=
xcruciating lengths to make it clear how awesome Avtandil is at pretty much e=
verything. Presumably guarding is another thing he can do, apart from ride h=
orses and be hot and skewer defenceless animals at a hundred paces.<br></div=
></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wonder who instructed him in the m=
any arts he knows. And I wonder if tIna'tIn has had any instruction. And I'v=
e really been on the road a little long. </div><div><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> tagha' 'IQtaH vavDaj 'e' Q=
oy tIna'tIn, vaj QamchoH 'ej vavDaj lojmIt chol. 'avwI'<br><br>Qov:<br>> '=
avwI' motlh ghaHbe'. 'avtanDIl ghaH. 'avtaHbe''a' 'avtanDIl?<br><br>As you r=
ealise in the next couple of lines, 'avtanDIl is inside, with another guard o=
utside. On rereading it's really not clear from the outset though so I've ad=
ded a bit to clarify.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>maj.&=
nbsp;</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Qov=
:<br>> toH lojmIt wa'DIch 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej lojmIt cha'DIch 'av 'avtan=
DIl.<br><br>'e' vIqelbe'. HurDaq 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej qoDDaq 'av 'avtanDIl '=
e' vIQub. 'ach cha' lojmIt lutu'lu'chugh, qay'be'; ram.<br></div></div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div>rambe'. qoDDaq 'avtanDIl tu'lu'chug vaj qatlh t=
Ina'tIn leghbe' roStevan? SaQtaH 'ach QIpbe'. </div><div><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> qaStaH jaj. tugh tlh=
ob roStevan 'utlh, jatlh: =C2=ABnuq ta'taH puqbe'wI', belwI' naghbochwI' je,=
yInwIj rachwI'?=C2=BB[1]<br><br>Qov:<br>> How she isn't spoiled rotten I=
don't know.<br><br>Heh. How does one raise a princess to NOT be spoiled?<br=
></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Responsibility. And after all=
if everyone agreed so readily that she was ready to be king, she must have h=
ad opportunity to demonstrate her leadership. </div><div><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>(poD vay')<br><br>jIH:<br>> be=
lwIj Haw'moHta'bogh wanI' qaja'.=E2=80=BA=C2=BB<br>> Qoy tIna'tIn, vaj Qa=
mchoH ghaH 'ej vavDaj jaH.<br><br>Qov:<br>> It's sweet, the respect among=
that family is something the common man can strive for, more than the wanto=
n slaughter of game and luxurious parties.<br><br>I think that's part of why=
the poem's so popular in Georgia. It's about these high-falutin' types but t=
hey still display values worthy of emulating.<br></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div>I can see that. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>jIH:<br>> jang 'utlh. =C2=AB'o puqwI',=C2=
=BB jatlh, =C2=AB'IQqu'mo' ghu'vam jI'It, 'ach qaleghmo' 'ej bIyInmo' SoH jI=
belchu'. pay' nom jI'IQHa'choHchu'pu'; 'IQbe'moHmeH Hergh DaDachu'. muDuQpu'=
bogh wanI' qaja'pu'DI', mubechmoHbogh ghu' bep je DayajchoH 'e' vIHar.=C2=BB=
<br><br>Qov:<br>> joSmey 'Ijbe'law' tIna'tIn. Heghpu'bogh toy'wI'pu' qorD=
u'mo' jupmo' je tugh wanI'vetlh Sov Hoch 'e' vIpIH. <br><br>chaq toy'wI'pu'v=
aD wej jatlhpu' tIna'tIn. HoSghajchugh nugh qutluch palth, chuQun toy'wI'pu'=
je luchevqu'lu'; chaq naDev qaS je.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div>waqmeyDaj'e' tuQmoH'a' tIna'tIn? I figured they'd be as ubiquitous=
as furniture. </div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>> Hogh veb pa'wIjl DaDab, qar'a'?<br><br>qarbej, cholajqangtaH=
chugh. qay'be'taH, qar'a'?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Dun.=
</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div> b=
IpawDI', mapawlaw'pu'qu' ghunchu'wI' jIH je, vaj mebpa'meyDaq pIlegh!<br></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>pa'vaD ponglIj vIjatlhpu' 'e' vIH=
ar. vI'ol. </div><div><br></div></body></html>=
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