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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 10. reH tay'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Mon Aug 20 01:29:31 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:29:13 +1000
In-Reply-To: <443A00BE-4D89-4C23-BE62-63DFFF982DC7@flyingstart.ca>
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jatlhpu' Qov:
> tlhoS 'ay' Hut vIpojta' 'ach wej vIlab. De'wI'wIjDaq tu'lu'. DaH De'wI've=
tlh vInaw'laHbe' 'ach poH vIghaj.=20
qay'be' - bIpojmeH poH DaghajtaHvIS motlh jIQongtaH jIH!
taH:
> meQtaHmo' ngem Qu'maj bot tlhIch=2C vaj mapuvbe'.
Do'Ha'.
jIjatlhpu':
> vaj jatlh ghaH=2C 'ej juH'a'Daq cheghmeH tlhe''egh=3B mej monHa'taHvIS. t=
lha'be''eghchoHmoH
mujang Qov=2C jatlh:
> This is the second time I've stumbled heavily over verb'eghmoH for=2C pre=
sumably=2C "make [one]self verb".
> Is it just me=2C but do additional suffixes=2C especially intervening not=
make this very awkward.
It does a bit - I should try to tone it down. Some of it comes from having =
the original text embed the "make X's-self" bit deeply enough in my mind th=
at I don't shake it in the Klingon.
Qov:
> latlhpu'? You know these epics aren't private conversations amongst me=
=2C QeS and ghunchu'wI'=2C qar'a'?
'e' luSovbej latlhpu' 'e' vItul!
jIH:
> Hoch nuv=3B 'ItchoH Hoch. jatlh 'op: =ABlughchu' 'utlhma'.=BB jatlh 'op: =
=ABQu'vatlh! =BB
Qov:
> muHaghmoH. jottaHvIS 'utlh naD 'op=2C mu'qaDmey jatlhtaHvIS latlhpu'. ( '=
a vIyaj).=20
Hochlogh Hoch nuv belmoHlaHbe' vay'. :)
jIH:
> 'utlh 'ej moghtaHvIS=2C QongmeH pa'Daj jaH. 'el latlh 'e' botchu'meH=2C b=
ejtaH 'avtanDIl=2C puqloD quv rur.
Qov:
> 'avwI' DaDI' mangghom ra'wI' chaq Qagh. 'avwI' Qu' Sovqu' 'avwI'. 'ach Se=
Q Qu'vam 'ej voDleH 'utlh quvmoH 'avwI' patlh.=20
chaq Qagh. But Rustaveli goes to excruciating lengths to make it clear how =
awesome Avtandil is at pretty much everything. Presumably guarding is anoth=
er thing he can do=2C apart from ride horses and be hot and skewer defencel=
ess animals at a hundred paces.
jIH:
> tagha' 'IQtaH vavDaj 'e' Qoy tIna'tIn=2C vaj QamchoH 'ej vavDaj lojmIt ch=
ol. 'avwI'
Qov:
> 'avwI' motlh ghaHbe'. 'avtanDIl ghaH. 'avtaHbe''a' 'avtanDIl?
As you realise in the next couple of lines=2C 'avtanDIl is inside=2C with a=
nother guard outside. On rereading it's really not clear from the outset th=
ough so I've added a bit to clarify.
jIH:
> DaHjaj SuvwI' Huj lulegh
Qov:
> naDev luleghpu' vImaS
bIlughchu'. vIchoH.
jIH:
> chaH=2C 'ej 'utlh 'ItchoHmoHpu' wanI'vetlh'e'.=BB jatlh tIna'tIn: =ABDaH =
jImej jIH=3B wej qaSchoH .
Qov:
> toH lojmIt wa'DIch 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej lojmIt cha'DIch 'av 'avtanDIl.
'e' vIqelbe'. HurDaq 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej qoDDaq 'av 'avtanDIl 'e' vIQub. '=
ach cha' lojmIt lutu'lu'chugh=2C qay'be'=3B ram.
jIH:
> qaStaH jaj. tugh tlhob roStevan 'utlh=2C jatlh: =ABnuq ta'taH puqbe'wI'=
=2C belwI' naghbochwI' je=2C yInwIj rachwI'?=BB[1]
Qov:
> How she isn't spoiled rotten I don't know.
Heh. How does one raise a princess to NOT be spoiled?
(poD vay')
jIH:
> belwIj Haw'moHta'bogh wanI' qaja'.=9B=BB
> Qoy tIna'tIn=2C vaj QamchoH ghaH 'ej vavDaj jaH.
Qov:
> It's sweet=2C the respect among that family is something the common man c=
an strive for=2C more than the wanton slaughter of game and luxurious parti=
es.
I think that's part of why the poem's so popular in Georgia. It's about the=
se high-falutin' types but they still display values worthy of emulating.
jIH:
> jang 'utlh. =AB'o puqwI'=2C=BB jatlh=2C =AB'IQqu'mo' ghu'vam jI'It=2C 'ac=
h qaleghmo' 'ej bIyInmo' SoH jIbelchu'. pay' nom jI'IQHa'choHchu'pu'=3B 'IQ=
be'moHmeH Hergh DaDachu'. muDuQpu'bogh wanI' qaja'pu'DI'=2C mubechmoHbogh g=
hu' bep je DayajchoH 'e' vIHar.=BB
Qov:
> joSmey 'Ijbe'law' tIna'tIn. Heghpu'bogh toy'wI'pu' qorDu'mo' jupmo' je tu=
gh wanI'vetlh Sov Hoch 'e' vIpIH.=20
chaq toy'wI'pu'vaD wej jatlhpu' tIna'tIn. HoSghajchugh nugh qutluch palth=
=2C chuQun toy'wI'pu' je luchevqu'lu'=3B chaq naDev qaS je.
jIH:
> SKI: roStevan goes into his room to deal with his anguish=2C but tIna'tIn=
tries to cheer his flagging spirits=2C and eventually roStevan agrees to t=
ell her what the cause of his upset is.
Qov:
> I got more of a tIna'tIn waits around for roStevan to notice her absence =
then comes in=2C instantly cheering roStevan with her presence=2C and he sa=
ys he will tell her why he is upset.=20
Yep=2C or that. :)
> Hogh veb pa'wIjl DaDab=2C qar'a'?
qarbej=2C cholajqangtaHchugh. qay'be'taH=2C qar'a'? bIpawDI'=2C mapawlaw'pu=
'qu' ghunchu'wI' jIH je=2C vaj mebpa'meyDaq pIlegh!
QeS
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jatlhpu' Qov:<br>>=3B tlhoS 'ay' Hut vIpojta' 'ach wej vIlab. De'wI'wIjDa=
q tu'lu'. DaH De'wI'vetlh vInaw'laHbe' 'ach poH vIghaj. <br><div><br>qay'be=
' - bIpojmeH poH DaghajtaHvIS motlh jIQongtaH jIH!<br><br>taH:<br>>=3B me=
QtaHmo' ngem Qu'maj bot tlhIch=2C vaj mapuvbe'.<br><br>Do'Ha'.<br><br>jIjat=
lhpu':<br>>=3B vaj jatlh ghaH=2C 'ej juH'a'Daq cheghmeH tlhe''egh=3B mej =
monHa'taHvIS. tlha'be''eghchoHmoH<br><br>mujang Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B Thi=
s is the second time I've stumbled heavily over verb'eghmoH for=2C presumab=
ly=2C "make [one]self verb".<br>>=3B Is it just me=2C but do additional s=
uffixes=2C especially intervening not make this very awkward.<br><br>It doe=
s a bit - I should try to tone it down. Some of it comes from having the or=
iginal text embed the "make X's-self" bit deeply enough in my mind that I d=
on't shake it in the Klingon.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B latlhpu'? You know the=
se epics aren't private conversations amongst me=2C QeS and ghunchu'wI'=2C =
qar'a'?<br><br>'e' luSovbej latlhpu' 'e' vItul!<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B Hoch =
nuv=3B 'ItchoH Hoch. jatlh 'op: =ABlughchu' 'utlhma'.=BB jatlh 'op: =ABQu'v=
atlh! =BB<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B muHaghmoH. jottaHvIS 'utlh naD 'op=2C mu'qa=
Dmey jatlhtaHvIS latlhpu'. ( 'a vIyaj). <br><br>Hochlogh Hoch nuv belmoHlaH=
be' vay'. :)<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B 'utlh 'ej moghtaHvIS=2C QongmeH pa'Daj j=
aH. 'el latlh 'e' botchu'meH=2C bejtaH 'avtanDIl=2C puqloD quv rur.<br><br>=
Qov:<br>>=3B 'avwI' DaDI' mangghom ra'wI' chaq Qagh. 'avwI' Qu' Sovqu' 'a=
vwI'. 'ach SeQ Qu'vam 'ej voDleH 'utlh quvmoH 'avwI' patlh. <br><br>chaq Qa=
gh. But Rustaveli goes to excruciating lengths to make it clear how awesome=
Avtandil is at pretty much everything. Presumably guarding is another thin=
g he can do=2C apart from ride horses and be hot and skewer defenceless ani=
mals at a hundred paces.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B tagha' 'IQtaH vavDaj 'e' Qoy=
tIna'tIn=2C vaj QamchoH 'ej vavDaj lojmIt chol. 'avwI'<br><br>Qov:<br>>=
=3B 'avwI' motlh ghaHbe'. 'avtanDIl ghaH. 'avtaHbe''a' 'avtanDIl?<br><br>As=
you realise in the next couple of lines=2C 'avtanDIl is inside=2C with ano=
ther guard outside. On rereading it's really not clear from the outset thou=
gh so I've added a bit to clarify.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B DaHjaj SuvwI' Huj =
lulegh<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B naDev luleghpu' vImaS<br><br>bIlughchu'. vIcho=
H.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B chaH=2C 'ej 'utlh 'ItchoHmoHpu' wanI'vetlh'e'.=BB =
jatlh tIna'tIn: =ABDaH jImej jIH=3B wej qaSchoH .<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B toH=
lojmIt wa'DIch 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej lojmIt cha'DIch 'av 'avtanDIl.<br><br>=
'e' vIqelbe'. HurDaq 'av 'avwI' motlh 'ej qoDDaq 'av 'avtanDIl 'e' vIQub. '=
ach cha' lojmIt lutu'lu'chugh=2C qay'be'=3B ram.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B qaSt=
aH jaj. tugh tlhob roStevan 'utlh=2C jatlh: =ABnuq ta'taH puqbe'wI'=2C belw=
I' naghbochwI' je=2C yInwIj rachwI'?=BB[1]<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B How she is=
n't spoiled rotten I don't know.<br><br>Heh. How does one raise a princess =
to NOT be spoiled?<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B belwIj Haw'moHta=
'bogh wanI' qaja'.=9B=BB<br>>=3B Qoy tIna'tIn=2C vaj QamchoH ghaH 'ej vav=
Daj jaH.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B It's sweet=2C the respect among that family =
is something the common man can strive for=2C more than the wanton slaughte=
r of game and luxurious parties.<br><br>I think that's part of why the poem=
's so popular in Georgia. It's about these high-falutin' types but they sti=
ll display values worthy of emulating.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B jang 'utlh. =
=AB'o puqwI'=2C=BB jatlh=2C =AB'IQqu'mo' ghu'vam jI'It=2C 'ach qaleghmo' 'e=
j bIyInmo' SoH jIbelchu'. pay' nom jI'IQHa'choHchu'pu'=3B 'IQbe'moHmeH Herg=
h DaDachu'. muDuQpu'bogh wanI' qaja'pu'DI'=2C mubechmoHbogh ghu' bep je Day=
ajchoH 'e' vIHar.=BB<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B joSmey 'Ijbe'law' tIna'tIn. Hegh=
pu'bogh toy'wI'pu' qorDu'mo' jupmo' je tugh wanI'vetlh Sov Hoch 'e' vIpIH. =
<br><br>chaq toy'wI'pu'vaD wej jatlhpu' tIna'tIn. HoSghajchugh nugh qutluch=
palth=2C chuQun toy'wI'pu' je luchevqu'lu'=3B chaq naDev qaS je.<br><br>jI=
H:<br>>=3B SKI: roStevan goes into his room to deal with his anguish=2C b=
ut tIna'tIn tries to cheer his flagging spirits=2C and eventually roStevan =
agrees to tell her what the cause of his upset is.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B I =
got more of a tIna'tIn waits around for roStevan to notice her absence then=
comes in=2C instantly cheering roStevan with her presence=2C and he says h=
e will tell her why he is upset. <br><br>Yep=2C or that. :)<br><br>>=3B H=
ogh veb pa'wIjl DaDab=2C qar'a'?<br><br>qarbej=2C cholajqangtaHchugh. qay'b=
e'taH=2C qar'a'? bIpawDI'=2C mapawlaw'pu'qu' ghunchu'wI' jIH je=2C vaj mebp=
a'meyDaq pIlegh!<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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