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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' cha' - 9. DabuQlu'DI', yISuv
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Mon Aug 20 00:56:24 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:56:07 +1000
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120817211752.06ac2b38@flyingstart.ca>
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jIghItlhpu'=2C jIjatlh:
> Warnings: Violence=2C injury and killing. No gore=20
> though. Qov'll be disappointed.
jangpu' Qov=2C jatlh:
> No sex either=2C I'm guessing.
wej. :)
jIH:
> 9. DabuQlu'DI'=2C yISuv
Qov:
> puptaH vIttlheghmey DawIvbogh!
vaj jIbel. wej TKW vInatlhchu'pu'=2C 'ach ghIlghameS=2C PK je vIlo'choHpu'q=
u' je.
jIH:
> SarghDajDaq toS
Qov:
> vIparHa'. Doy'law' toSwI'. Doy'be'chugh chaq Sup. 'a toS 'Iv? roStevan? =
nov?
SarghDajDaq toS nov. naDev ghItlh vIchevmoHpu'mo' mISlu'ba'. toSwI' vIchel.
jIH:
> =96 qatlh toy'wI''a'pu' SoQ buSnIS ghaH? pa'vo'=20
> mejchoH SarghDaj lIghtaHvIS. chaHvaD jangQo'=2C chaHvaD De' luSovnISbogh =
'angQo'.
Qov:
> Huj. pay' nov yab wIDanlaw'. qechmeyDaj vIQoy 'e' vIpIHbe'.
wIch 'oH! 'ach qayaj. {-Qo'} vaD nIv {-law'Qo'} 'e' DaHar'a'?
jIH:
> SuvwI' lutlhapmeH lucholchoH toy'wI''a'pu'=3B 'ej chaH HIv SuvwI'.
Qov:
> There might have been an intermediate step=20
> available to roStevan=2C between "talk to him" and=20
> "capture him." Maybe bring him a hanky and a=20
> bologna sandwich. But I guess roStevan isn't used=20
> to people not deigning to talk to his minions.
qutluch patlh vuvnISlu' 'e' pIH. The one percent work in a different mindse=
t. :)
jIH:
> latlh toy'wI''a'Daq pum toy'wI''a'. ghopDaj=20
> pepbe'taHvIS HoH SuvwI'=2C ghanjaq'a'Daj=20
> QachtaHvIS 'op chaH qIpchu'=2C roDu'chaj QIDchu'.=20
> bejtaHvIS QeHqu'choH 'utlh=2C 'ej moghchoH. toy'wI'pu'chajvaD jach.
Qov:
> vaj SaH. maj.
As much as the hierarchy will allow=2C I suppose.
jIH:
> loD Huj'e'=2C ghaH 'emDaq bejbe'qu' 'ej cholta'pa'=20
> tlha'lI'bogh nuvpu'=2C chaH buSbe'. juSchoHDI'=20
> ngIq tlha'wI'=2C ngIq HeghmoH loD Huj=2C ghanjaq'a'=20
> QachtaH=2C tlha'wI' lomDaq tlha'wI' lom woDtaH.=20
> bey jach SotchoHbogh roStevan 'utlh.
Qov:
> SaHqu'. qatlh ra'be'=2C "peDoH" Heghpa' Hoch?
nom HIvmo' SuvwI' nov 'ej roStevan merqu'mo'. 'e' vIloy.
jIH:
> SarghmeyDajDaq toS roStevan 'avtanDIl je=2C
Qov:
> You're going for the English style "each on his=20
> horse".
You do me too much credit - this was a Qagh=2C pure and simple. The origina=
l text mentioned only Rostevan getting on his horse=2C so I translated that=
. Then on rereading I thought=2C well=2C surely Avtandil's going to be doin=
g so too. So I added 'avtanDIl=2C but without altering whose Sarghmey they =
were. vItI'.
jIH:
> 'ej loD Huj lutlha'choH chaH. Hemlaw' 'ej=20
> nguqlaw' loDvetlh=3B Sargh quSDaq ba'taHvIS=2C=20
> poSvo' nIHDaq=2C nIHvo' poSDaq DavtaH=3B tlhoS=20
> puvlaw' SarghDaj'e' qettaHvIS 'oH. Hatlh=20
> wovtaHmo' jul=2C ghaH tlha'lI' 'utlh 'avtanDIl je pay' 'e' tu' loD Huj.
Qov:
> bortaS!
Hm=2C maybe a nice revenge proverb would go well in this paragraph!
jIH:
> tu'DI'=2C SarghDaj 'o' mupmeH ghanjaqDaj lo'.
Qov:
> 'oy'! rotlhbej Sarghvetlh.
na'!
jIH:
> ghIq ngabchu'=2C leghlaHbe'chu' vay'. ngechDaq
Qov:
> chaq Seq QaQ law' ngech QaQ puS. mung Hol mu'=20
> vISovbe' 'ach chal Daqelmo' chaq Seq DaqelnIS.
/kvesk'neli/ "underworld" 'oH Georgia Hol mu''e' ("heaven" lo' je chovnatlh=
wa'DIch)=2C vaj loQ ram. 'ach {Seq} vIparHa'qu'. vIlo'.
jIH:
> ghIrlaw'pu'=2C chalDaq Sallaw'pu'=3B lunejtaH=20
> 'avtanDIl roStevan je=2C 'ach HeDaj lutu'laHbe'chu'. yav lu'uypu'bogh
Qov:
> maj. qech yajlaHchu' vay'. Dach mu' 'e'' Sovbe'.
'ej qay'be'.
> qamDu'Daj SamtaH 'e' lunID=2C 'ach lujchu'mo'=20
> SIvtaH chaH. vaj narghta' loD Huj 'ej ngabta'=3B=20
> qa' rur. Heghpu'wI'pu'DajvaD beymey jach=20
> negh[1]=3B rIQpu'wI'pu'DajDaq Sevmey qat negh.
Qov:
> vaj yIn 'op. Hegh Hoch 'e' vIHar. negh ghaH'a'=20
> toy'wI'? negh ghaHbe'chugh vaj chay' rIQchoH negh?
HIja'=2C negh chaH je toy'wI'pu''e'. nIch raQmeH mIw luSovba'=2C vaj negh c=
haH 'e' vIQub. jIchuH.
(poD vay')
jIH:
> [1] I got a bit confused as to whether=20
> inherently plural nouns also take singular=20
> possessive suffixes: so negh Sarghmey =3D=20
> SarghmeyDaj. This is how I'm presuming it works.
Qov:
> I would be confused by SarghDajDaq toS negh=2C but it's an excellent ques=
tion.
I would have been at first as well. tetlhHom tetlh tetlh'a' mojtaH ghelmeH =
qep'a' tetlhwIj.
QeS
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jIghItlhpu'=2C jIjatlh:<br>>=3B Warnings: Violence=2C injury and killing.=
No gore <br><div>>=3B though. Qov'll be disappointed.<br><br>jangpu' Qov=
=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B No sex either=2C I'm guessing.<br><br>wej. :)<br><br>j=
IH:<br>>=3B 9. DabuQlu'DI'=2C yISuv<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B puptaH vIttlheg=
hmey DawIvbogh!<br><br>vaj jIbel. wej TKW vInatlhchu'pu'=2C 'ach ghIlghameS=
=2C PK je vIlo'choHpu'qu' je.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B SarghDajDaq toS<br><br>=
Qov:<br>>=3B vIparHa'. Doy'law' toSwI'. Doy'be'chugh chaq Sup. 'a toS 'Iv=
? roStevan? nov?<br><br>SarghDajDaq toS nov. naDev ghItlh vIchevmoHpu'mo'=
mISlu'ba'. toSwI' vIchel.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B =96 qatlh toy'wI''a'pu' So=
Q buSnIS ghaH? pa'vo' <br>>=3B mejchoH SarghDaj lIghtaHvIS. chaHvaD jangQ=
o'=2C chaHvaD De' luSovnISbogh 'angQo'.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B Huj. pay' nov=
yab wIDanlaw'. qechmeyDaj vIQoy 'e' vIpIHbe'.<br><br>wIch 'oH! 'ach qayaj.=
{-Qo'} vaD nIv {-law'Qo'} 'e' DaHar'a'?<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B SuvwI' lutlh=
apmeH lucholchoH toy'wI''a'pu'=3B 'ej chaH HIv SuvwI'.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=
=3B There might have been an intermediate step <br>>=3B available to roSt=
evan=2C between "talk to him" and <br>>=3B "capture him." Maybe bring him=
a hanky and a <br>>=3B bologna sandwich. But I guess roStevan isn't used=
<br>>=3B to people not deigning to talk to his minions.<br><br>qutluch p=
atlh vuvnISlu' 'e' pIH. The one percent work in a different mindset. :)<br>=
<br>jIH:<br>>=3B latlh toy'wI''a'Daq pum toy'wI''a'. ghopDaj <br>>=3B p=
epbe'taHvIS HoH SuvwI'=2C ghanjaq'a'Daj <br>>=3B QachtaHvIS 'op chaH qIpc=
hu'=2C roDu'chaj QIDchu'. <br>>=3B bejtaHvIS QeHqu'choH 'utlh=2C 'ej mogh=
choH. toy'wI'pu'chajvaD jach.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B vaj SaH. maj.<br><br>As=
much as the hierarchy will allow=2C I suppose.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B loD H=
uj'e'=2C ghaH 'emDaq bejbe'qu' 'ej cholta'pa' <br>>=3B tlha'lI'bogh nuvpu=
'=2C chaH buSbe'. juSchoHDI' <br>>=3B ngIq tlha'wI'=2C ngIq HeghmoH loD H=
uj=2C ghanjaq'a' <br>>=3B QachtaH=2C tlha'wI' lomDaq tlha'wI' lom woDtaH.=
<br>>=3B bey jach SotchoHbogh roStevan 'utlh.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B SaHq=
u'. qatlh ra'be'=2C "peDoH" Heghpa' Hoch?<br><br>nom HIvmo' SuvwI' nov 'ej =
roStevan merqu'mo'. 'e' vIloy.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B SarghmeyDajDaq toS roS=
tevan 'avtanDIl je=2C<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B You're going for the English st=
yle "each on his <br>>=3B horse".<br><br>You do me too much credit - this=
was a Qagh=2C pure and simple. The original text mentioned only Rostevan g=
etting on his horse=2C so I translated that. Then on rereading I thought=2C=
well=2C surely Avtandil's going to be doing so too. So I added 'avtanDIl=
=2C but without altering whose Sarghmey they were. vItI'.<br><br>jIH:<br>&g=
t=3B 'ej loD Huj lutlha'choH chaH. Hemlaw' 'ej <br>>=3B nguqlaw' loDvetlh=
=3B Sargh quSDaq ba'taHvIS=2C <br>>=3B poSvo' nIHDaq=2C nIHvo' poSDaq Dav=
taH=3B tlhoS <br>>=3B puvlaw' SarghDaj'e' qettaHvIS 'oH. Hatlh <br>>=3B=
wovtaHmo' jul=2C ghaH tlha'lI' 'utlh 'avtanDIl je pay' 'e' tu' loD Huj.<br=
><br>Qov:<br>>=3B bortaS!<br><br>Hm=2C maybe a nice revenge proverb would=
go well in this paragraph!<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B tu'DI'=2C SarghDaj 'o' mu=
pmeH ghanjaqDaj lo'.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B 'oy'! rotlhbej Sarghvetlh.<br><b=
r>na'!<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B ghIq ngabchu'=2C leghlaHbe'chu' vay'. ngechDaq=
<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B chaq Seq QaQ law' ngech QaQ puS. mung Hol mu' <br>&g=
t=3B vISovbe' 'ach chal Daqelmo' chaq Seq DaqelnIS.<br><br>/kvesk'neli/ "un=
derworld" 'oH Georgia Hol mu''e' ("heaven" lo' je chovnatlh wa'DIch)=2C vaj=
loQ ram. 'ach {Seq} vIparHa'qu'. vIlo'.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B ghIrlaw'pu'=
=2C chalDaq Sallaw'pu'=3B lunejtaH <br>>=3B 'avtanDIl roStevan je=2C 'ach=
HeDaj lutu'laHbe'chu'. yav lu'uypu'bogh<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B maj. qech ya=
jlaHchu' vay'. Dach mu' 'e'' Sovbe'.<br><br>'ej qay'be'.<br><br>>=3B qamD=
u'Daj SamtaH 'e' lunID=2C 'ach lujchu'mo' <br>>=3B SIvtaH chaH. vaj nargh=
ta' loD Huj 'ej ngabta'=3B <br>>=3B qa' rur. Heghpu'wI'pu'DajvaD beymey j=
ach <br>>=3B negh[1]=3B rIQpu'wI'pu'DajDaq Sevmey qat negh.<br><br>Qov:<b=
r>>=3B vaj yIn 'op. Hegh Hoch 'e' vIHar. negh ghaH'a' <br>>=3B toy'wI'?=
negh ghaHbe'chugh vaj chay' rIQchoH negh?<br><br>HIja'=2C negh chaH je to=
y'wI'pu''e'. nIch raQmeH mIw luSovba'=2C vaj negh chaH 'e' vIQub. jIchuH.<b=
r><br>(poD vay')<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B [1] I got a bit confused as to wheth=
er <br>>=3B inherently plural nouns also take singular <br>>=3B possess=
ive suffixes: so negh Sarghmey =3D <br>>=3B SarghmeyDaj. This is how I'm =
presuming it works.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B I would be confused by SarghDajDa=
q toS negh=2C but it's an excellent question.<br><br>I would have been at f=
irst as well. tetlhHom tetlh tetlh'a' mojtaH ghelmeH qep'a' tetlhwIj.<br><b=
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