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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A vague example at last from Monopoly
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Apr 4 16:50:53 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:50:38 -0500
In-Reply-To: <43825F80-484E-4163-ADC9-5338FD65760A@gmail.com>
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Or perhaps the Klingons - or their version of the Universal Translator! - s=
imply translated the Federation Standard name literally, recognizing that "=
dominion" is an actual word.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: lojmIt tI'wI'nuv [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com]
The thing that bothers me about definitions like "Dominion" is that we're d=
oing in Klingon the same thing we're doing in English. Likely, The Dominion=
doesn't call itself "The Dominion". It's a proper name we made up, based o=
n a common noun that describes the thing we've named.
So, when we put in definitions like this, we really need to recognize that =
{ngup'a'} has two meanings. One is the proper noun and the other is the com=
mon noun. It's like {matlh}. It's the verb "be loyal" and it's the proper n=
ame Maltz.
... or maybe Klingon doesn't have a proper name for The Dominion. They are =
just one of many "major authorities" and when we translate to English, whic=
h DOES have a proper noun for this group, we translate it as "The Dominion"=
.
On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
De'vID:
I've photographed all the cards and put them online. You should be able to =
access them at this link:
https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=
=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE
Another new word I noticed (has it been mentioned here before?) is {ngup'a'=
} "Dominion":
ngup'a' Duj Dajon.
Commandeer Dominion vessel. MKE
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Or perhaps the Klingons – or thei=
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pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight=
:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv [mailt=
o:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com] <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The thing that bothers me about definitions like=
"Dominion" is that we're doing in Klingon the same thing we're d=
oing in English. Likely, The Dominion doesn't call itself "The Dominio=
n". It's a proper name we made up, based on a common noun that describ=
es the thing we've named.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=
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al><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'=
>So, when we put in definitions like this, we really need to recognize that=
{ngup'a'} has two meanings. One is the proper noun and the other is the co=
mmon noun. It's like {matlh}. It's the verb "be loyal" and it's t=
he proper name Maltz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><fo=
nt size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>... o=
r maybe Klingon doesn't have a proper name for The Dominion. They are just =
one of many "major authorities" and when we translate to English,=
which DOES have a proper noun for this group, we translate it as "The=
Dominion".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=
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oman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Steven B=
oozer wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font s=
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o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:=
5.25pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12=
.0pt'>De'vID: <br>I've photographed all the cards and put them online=
. You should be able to access them at this link:<font color=3D"#1f497d"><s=
pan style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p><blo=
ckquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><=
a href=3D"https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopol=
y?authkey=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE">https://picasaweb.google.com/11785103585=
5826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE</a> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"T=
imes New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>Another new word I not=
iced (has it been mentioned here before?) is {ngup'a'} "Dominion"=
:<br><br> <font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
</span></font>ngup'a' Duj Dajon.<br><font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'> </span></font> Commandeer Dominion vessel. MKE<=
br>--<br>Voragh<br>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times=
New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font=
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