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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A vague example at last from Monopoly
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI'nuv)
Wed Apr 4 16:25:09 2012
From: lojmIt tI'wI'nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:24:47 -0400
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The thing that bothers me about definitions like "Dominion" is that =
we're doing in Klingon the same thing we're doing in English. Likely, =
The Dominion doesn't call itself "The Dominion". It's a proper name we =
made up, based on a common noun that describes the thing we've named.
So, when we put in definitions like this, we really need to recognize =
that {ngup'a'} has two meanings. One is the proper noun and the other is =
the common noun. It's like {matlh}. It's the verb "be loyal" and it's =
the proper name Maltz.
... or maybe Klingon doesn't have a proper name for The Dominion. They =
are just one of many "major authorities" and when we translate to =
English, which DOES have a proper noun for this group, we translate it =
as "The Dominion".
Bleah.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
> De'vID: =20
>> I've photographed all the cards and put them online.=20
>> You should be able to access them at this link:
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https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=
=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE=20
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> While working my way through these - De'vID, qatlho'qa'! - I think =
I've found our first example of the verb {vegh} "go through (an existing =
opening)" used in an actual sentence:
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> bISuvtaHvIS qarDaS bIghHa' peQ botjan Daveghchu'.
> Fight your way beyond magnetic shield of Cardassian prison. MKE
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> Another new word I noticed (has it been mentioned here before?) is =
{ngup'a'} "Dominion":
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> ngup'a' Duj Dajon.
> Commandeer Dominion vessel. MKE
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> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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"><div>The thing that bothers me about definitions like "Dominion" is =
that we're doing in Klingon the same thing we're doing in English. =
Likely, The Dominion doesn't call itself "The Dominion". It's a proper =
name we made up, based on a common noun that describes the thing we've =
named.</div><div><br></div><div>So, when we put in definitions like =
this, we really need to recognize that {ngup'a'} has two meanings. One =
is the proper noun and the other is the common noun. It's like {matlh}. =
It's the verb "be loyal" and it's the proper name =
Maltz.</div><div><br></div><div>... or maybe Klingon doesn't have a =
proper name for The Dominion. They are just one of many "major =
authorities" and when we translate to English, which DOES have a proper =
noun for this group, we translate it as "The =
Dominion".</div><div><br></div><div>Bleah.</div><div><br></div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>De'vID:=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">I've photographed all the cards and =
put them online. <br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">You should =
be able to access them at this link:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopoly=
?authkey=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE">https://picasaweb.google.com/11785103585=
5826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=3DGv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE</a> =
<br></blockquote><br>While working my way through these - De'vID, =
qatlho'qa'! - I think I've found our first example of the verb {vegh} =
"go through (an existing opening)" used in an actual sentence:<br><br> =
bISuvtaHvIS qarDaS bIghHa' peQ botjan Daveghchu'.<br> Fight =
your way beyond magnetic shield of Cardassian prison. MKE<br><br>Another =
new word I noticed (has it been mentioned here before?) is {ngup'a'} =
"Dominion":<br><br> ngup'a' Duj Dajon.<br> Commandeer =
Dominion vessel. MKE<br><br><br><br>--<br>Voragh<br>Ca'Non Master of the =
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