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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' wa'maH Hut
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Feb 29 11:55:00 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:54:47 -0600
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AFAIK there isn't one. Following the U.S. system (and others) it's the arm=
y equivalent of {HoD} "captain" -- at least hierarchically - but {HoD} has =
too many overtones in Trek. Brigadier {'ech} isn't bad as it ranks above a=
colonel but below a major general. A brigadier commands a brigade and see=
ms to be the army equivalent of a commodore {totlh}. What exactly does Col=
onel West command?
And there's always {ra'wI'}:
KGT 52f.: There is, in addition, a frequently misunderstood word, {ra'wI'}=
, which is correctly, though misleadingly, translated as "commander", as is=
{la'}. The confusion comes about because {ra'wI'} literally means "one who=
commands" ... Thus, a {ra'wI'} is, literally, someone who gives an order. =
The word is generally used to refer to any officer of the rank of {Sogh} or=
higher. It may be used as either a description ({ra'wI' ghaH qImlaq'e'} [K=
'mlak is a commander] or a title ({qImlaq ra'wI'} [Commander K'mlak]), thou=
gh in all cases it is understood as not reflecting the precise rank of the =
individual. Except for formal occasions, it is safe to use the title {ra'wI=
'}. In fact, if one is not sure of an officer's rank, it is probably the sa=
fest route to take.
I like Okrand's last sentence. He frequently provides himself a loophole. =
<g>
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
De'vID:
> C in C: Sir, would you please take a look at this. ...Colonel West.
C in C: qaH, Dochvam yIleghneS... *West* 'ech[1].
[1] - Which rank is "Colonel"?
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ace=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>AFAIK there isn=
217;t one. Following the U.S. system (and others) it’s the army=
equivalent of {HoD} “captain” -- at least hierarchically ̵=
1; but {HoD} has too many overtones in Trek. Brigadier {'ech} isnR=
17;t bad as it ranks above a colonel but below a major general. A bri=
gadier commands a brigade and seems to be the army equivalent of a commodor=
e {totlh}. What exactly does Colonel West command?<o:p></o:p></span><=
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MsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:=
12.0pt'>And there’s always {ra’wI’}:<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12=
.0pt'>KGT 52f.: There is, in addition, a frequently misunderstood wor=
d, {ra'wI'}, which is correctly, though misleadingly, translated as “=
commander”, as is {la'}. The confusion comes about because {ra'wI'} l=
iterally means “one who commands” ... Thus, a {ra'wI'} is, lite=
rally, someone who gives an order. The word is generally used to refer to a=
ny officer of the rank of {Sogh} or higher. It may be used as either a desc=
ription ({ra'wI' ghaH qImlaq'e'} [K'mlak is a commander] or a title ({qImla=
q ra'wI'} [Commander K'mlak]), though in all cases it is understood as not =
reflecting the precise rank of the individual. Except for formal occasions,=
it is safe to use the title {ra'wI'}. In fact, if one is not sure of an of=
ficer's rank, it is probably the safest route to take.<br><br><o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman=
"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I like Okrand’s last sentence.&nbs=
p; He frequently provides himself a loophole. <g><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"=
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=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Voragh<o:p><=
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mal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
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r-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><p><font size=3D3 face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>> C in C: Si=
r, would you please take a look at this. ...Colonel West.<br><font color=3D=
"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span></font>C in C: =
<font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span></font>q=
aH, Dochvam yIleghneS... *West* 'ech[1].<br><br> [1] - Which rank is "=
Colonel"?<font color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></=
o:p></span></font></span></font></p></div></div></body></html>=
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