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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' chorgh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Sun Jan 29 01:51:13 2012
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:50:59 +1000
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ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:
> Does anyone want to volunteer to translate this next chunk? Or=2C how ab=
out if we do it by committee?
jIjeSqang jIH.
taH:
> I found it really hard to express some of these ideas: "nature abhors a v=
acuum"=2C "turning points in history"=2C "the universe unfolds"=2C "logic i=
s the beginning of wisdom"... yikes.
Yikes indeed. Challenging! I'll give you my take on the whole passage=2C gh=
Iq DapollaH pagh DapolHa'laH.
> SPOCK: You've done well=2C Valeris. As your sponsor at the Academy I've f=
ollowed your career with satisfaction. And as a Vulcan=2C you have exceeded=
my expectations.
Assuming that "As a Vulcan" is referring to Spock=2C since he's just talked=
about himself in the "as your sponsor at the Academy" phrase:
SPOCK: bIQapchu'pu'=2C Valeris. 'ampaSvaD naDwI'lI' jIH=3B vaj naDwI'lI' yo=
ntaH Qu'meylIj. 'ej vulqangan jIH=3B vaj chavlIj pov law' chav vIpIHbogh po=
v puS.
> VALERIS: I do not understand this representation.
> (referring to a painting on the wall)
VALERIS: mIlloghvam vIyajbe'.
I agree that though {nagh beQ} is obviously the best word for the artwork i=
tself=2C {mIllogh} is better here to translate what Valeris says.
> SPOCK: It's a depiction from ancient Earth mythology. 'The Expulsion from=
Paradise.'
SPOCK: tera' wIch tIQ bey' 'oH. {QI'tu'vo' lumejmoHlu'}. (Assuming that the=
Expulsion is that of Adam and Eve=2C therefore plural.)
> VALERIS: Why keep it in your quarters?
VALERIS: qatlh pa'lIj Dapol?
> SPOCK: To be a reminder to me that all things end.
SPOCK: Dor Hoch 'e' muqawmoH.
> VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir=2C I address you as a=
kindred intellect.
VALERIS: Dormo' vay' qajatlh vIneH. qaH=2C yablIjvaD QummeH yabwIj qajatlh.
> Do you not recognise ...that a turning point has been reached in the affa=
irs of the Federation?
I think I'd recast this fairly heavily.
VALERIS: DaH DIvI' qaD wIv potlh 'e' Daghovbe''a'?
"Do you not recognise that an important choice now challenges the Federatio=
n?"
> SPOCK: History is replete with turning points=2C Lieutenant. You must hav=
e faith.
SPOCK: wIv potlhmo' buy'chu' qun=2C Sogh. bIHarnIS.
> VALERIS: Faith?
VALERIS: nuq vIHarnIS?
> SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should.
SPOCK: 'u' San lupab 'u' wanI' 'e' DaHarnIS.
> VALERIS: But is this logical? Surely we must...
VALERIS: 'e' wImeqlaH'a'? meqmo'...
> SPOCK: Logic? ...Logic is the beginning of wisdom=2C Valeris=2C not the e=
nd. ...This will be my final voyage on board this vessel as a member of her=
crew.
SPOCK: meq? mameqDI'=2C Valeris=2C Sov bI'reS wItu'=2C Sov bertlham wItu'be=
'. Dujvam beq vIgheSmeH Qu' Qav 'oH Qu'vam'e'.
> Nature abhors a vacuum. I intend you to replace me.
choqa' 'e' vIHech. (You now have a bundle of suggestions for "Nature abhors=
a vacuum" - take your pick.)
> VALERIS: I could only succeed you=2C sir.
VALERIS: qacho'laH neH=2C qaH. (Actually=2C that's a lovely bit of wordplay=
between {choqa'} "you replace me" and {qacho'} "I succeed you".)
> UHURA (on intercom): Now hear this. All officers to the bridge.
> Klingon battle cruiser off the port bow. All officers to the bridge.
UHURA: DaH peqIm. Hoch yaS=2C SIbI' meH jaH. Duj poSDaq tlhIngan may'Duj. S=
IbI' meH jaH.
QeS 'utlh
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ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B Does anyone want to volunteer to trans=
late this next chunk? =3B Or=2C how about if we do it by committee?<br>=
<br>jIjeSqang jIH.<br><br>taH:<br>>=3B I found it really hard to express =
some of these ideas: "nature abhors a vacuum"=2C "turning points in history=
"=2C "the universe unfolds"=2C "logic is the beginning of wisdom"... yikes.=
<br><br>Yikes indeed. Challenging! I'll give you my take on the whole passa=
ge=2C ghIq DapollaH pagh DapolHa'laH.<br><br><div>
>=3B SPOCK: You've done well=2C Valeris. As your sponsor at the Academy I=
've followed your career with satisfaction. And as a Vulcan=2C you have exc=
eeded my expectations.<BR><br><BR>Assuming that "As a Vulcan" is referring =
to Spock=2C since he's just talked about himself in the "as your sponsor at=
the Academy" phrase:<br><BR><br><BR>SPOCK: bIQapchu'pu'=2C Valeris. 'ampaS=
vaD naDwI'lI' jIH=3B vaj naDwI'lI' yontaH Qu'meylIj. 'ej vulqangan jIH=3B v=
aj chavlIj pov law' chav vIpIHbogh pov puS.<br><BR><br><BR>
>=3B VALERIS: I do not understand this representation.<br>
>=3B (referring to a painting on the wall)<BR><br><BR>VALERIS: mIlloghvam=
vIyajbe'.<br>
<BR>
<br><BR>I agree that though {nagh beQ} is obviously the best word for the a=
rtwork itself=2C {mIllogh} is better here to translate what Valeris says.<B=
R><br><BR>
>=3B SPOCK: It's a depiction from ancient Earth mythology. 'The Expulsion=
from Paradise.'<BR><br><BR>SPOCK: tera' wIch tIQ bey' 'oH. {QI'tu'vo' lume=
jmoHlu'}. (Assuming that the Expulsion is that of Adam and Eve=2C therefore=
plural.)<br><BR><br><BR>
>=3B VALERIS: Why keep it in your quarters?<br>
<BR><br><BR>VALERIS: qatlh pa'lIj Dapol?<br><BR><br><BR>>=3B SPOCK: To be=
a reminder to me that all things end.<br><BR><br><BR>SPOCK: Dor Hoch 'e' m=
uqawmoH.<br><BR><br><BR>
>=3B VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir=2C I address you=
as a kindred intellect.<br><BR><br><BR>VALERIS: Dormo' vay' qajatlh vIneH.=
qaH=2C yablIjvaD QummeH yabwIj qajatlh.<BR><br><BR>>=3B Do you not recog=
nise ...that a turning point has been reached in the affairs of the Federat=
ion?<BR><br><BR>I think I'd recast this fairly heavily.<br><br>VALERIS: DaH=
DIvI' qaD wIv potlh 'e' Daghovbe''a'?<br>"Do you not recognise that an imp=
ortant choice now challenges the Federation?"<br><br><BR>
>=3B SPOCK: History is replete with turning points=2C Lieutenant. You mus=
t have faith.<BR><br><BR>SPOCK: wIv potlhmo' buy'chu' qun=2C Sogh. bIHarnIS=
.<br><BR><br>
>=3B VALERIS: Faith?<BR><br><BR>VALERIS: nuq vIHarnIS?<br><BR><br><BR>
>=3B SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should.<BR><br><BR>SPOCK:=
'u' San lupab 'u' wanI' 'e' DaHarnIS.<br><BR><br>
>=3B VALERIS: But is this logical? Surely we must...<BR><br><BR>VALERIS: =
'e' wImeqlaH'a'? meqmo'...<br><BR><br>
>=3B SPOCK: Logic? ...Logic is the beginning of wisdom=2C Valeris=2C not =
the end. ...This will be my final voyage on board this vessel as a member o=
f her crew.<BR><br><BR>SPOCK: meq? mameqDI'=2C Valeris=2C Sov bI'reS wItu'=
=2C Sov bertlham wItu'be'. Dujvam beq vIgheSmeH Qu' Qav 'oH Qu'vam'e'.<br><=
BR><br>>=3B Nature abhors a vacuum. I intend you to replace me.<BR><br><B=
R>choqa' 'e' vIHech. (You now have a bundle of suggestions for "Nature abho=
rs a vacuum" - take your pick.)<br><BR><br>
>=3B VALERIS: I could only succeed you=2C sir.<br>
<BR><br><BR>VALERIS: qacho'laH neH=2C qaH. (Actually=2C that's a lovely bit=
of wordplay between {choqa'} "you replace me" and {qacho'} "I succeed you"=
.)<br><BR><br><BR>>=3B UHURA (on intercom): Now hear this. All officers t=
o the bridge.<br>
>=3B Klingon battle cruiser off the port bow. All officers to the bridge.=
<BR><br>UHURA: DaH peqIm. Hoch yaS=2C SIbI' meH jaH. Duj poSDaq tlhIngan ma=
y'Duj. SIbI' meH jaH.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></div> </div></body>
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