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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Badgley)
Fri Nov 18 08:54:03 2011
From: Josh Badgley <joshbadgley@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:53:39 -0600
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tuchuHmo' tlhIH Satlho'. =20
<jungwoq> vIleghDI' jISeychoH=2C jungwoq Hol jIjatlhlaHbe' 'ach ben=20
Taiwanvo' ghoSbogh jup vIghompu'. jungwoq Hol (Mandarin) mughojmeH=20
nIDpu' jupwI'=2C 'ej Sep pongmey muvuQqu'. not jungwoq Hol Deghmey vIghoj
'ej vIpayqu'. DIS veb nIpon Hol vIHaDnIS=2C wa'maH jav repmey vISuqnIS.
I
guess this shows my ignorance of linguistics=2C but I figured that Marc=20
had chosen "jungwoq" because 1.) Klingon does not have a phoneme=20
(correct term?) corresponding to zh and 2.) wo' would mean "empire"=2C=20
wouldn't it?
-- toDQun
Date: Fri=2C 18 Nov 2011 10:43:23 +0100
From: de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com
To: sboozer@uchicago.edu
CC: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries
Voragh:
> Okrand may have used Cantonese before:
>
> WRT {lung} *loong* "type of lizardlike animal": "Perhaps a pun on the Ch=
inese word for dragon? In Mandarin=2C the word is Romanized as *lung* (Wade=
-Giles) or *long* (pinyin)=2C and takes the second tone. In Cantonese=2C it=
's usually Romanized as *lung* (fourth tone)=2C although it's also the *loo=
n* in Kowloon." (Stephen Carter)
I asked MO about <lung> at the qepHom (I am a native Cantonese speaker)=2C =
and he said that the similarity is deliberate.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%BE%8D
> WRT {yan} "sword": In Cantonese=2C *yahn* means "edge of a sword" (lay't=
el SIvten)I hadn't heard that this was supposed to be a pun. I wouldn't ha=
ve thought of it if someone hadn't told me (i.e.=2C unlike "dragon"=2C whic=
h is immediately obvious if you say the Klingon word to a Cantonese speaker=
). Yes=2C it sounds like a word in Cantonese=2C but it's not a common enou=
gh word that I'd expect someone to know it if they didn't speak the languag=
e (the exception is if they learned Cantonese through association with mart=
ial arts=2C and know the names of weapons and weapon parts).
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%88%83
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<font style=3D"" face=3D"Courier New">tuchuHmo' tlhIH Satlho'. =3B=20
<=3Bjungwoq>=3B vIleghDI' jISeychoH=2C jungwoq Hol jIjatlhlaHbe' 'ach b=
en=20
Taiwanvo' ghoSbogh jup vIghompu'. =3B jungwoq Hol (Mandarin) mughojmeH=
=20
nIDpu' jupwI'=2C 'ej Sep pongmey muvuQqu'. =3B not jungwoq Hol Deghmey =
vIghoj
'ej vIpayqu'. =3B DIS veb nIpon Hol vIHaDnIS=2C wa'maH jav repmey vISu=
qnIS.<br><br>I
guess this shows my ignorance of linguistics=2C but I figured that Marc=20
had chosen "jungwoq" because 1.) Klingon does not have a phoneme=20
(correct term?) corresponding to zh and 2.) wo' would mean "empire"=2C=20
wouldn't it?<br id=3D"ecxFontBreak"></font><br><br><font style=3D"" face=3D=
"Courier New"><br>-- toDQun<br></font><br id=3D"FontBreak"><br><br><font st=
yle=3D"" face=3D"Courier New"><br></font><br><br><div><hr id=3D"stopSpellin=
g">Date: Fri=2C 18 Nov 2011 10:43:23 +0100<br>From: de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com=
<br>To: sboozer@uchicago.edu<br>CC: tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>Subject: Re: [T=
lhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries<br><br>Voragh:<br>
>=3B Okrand may have used Cantonese before:<br>
>=3B<br>
>=3B WRT {lung} *loong* "type of lizardlike animal":  =3B"Perhaps a p=
un on the Chinese word for dragon? In Mandarin=2C the word is Romanized as =
*lung* (Wade-Giles) or *long* (pinyin)=2C and takes the second tone. In Can=
tonese=2C it's usually Romanized as *lung* (fourth tone)=2C although it's a=
lso the *loon* in Kowloon." (Stephen Carter)<br>
<br>I asked MO about <=3Blung>=3B at the qepHom (I am a native Cantones=
e speaker)=2C and he said that the similarity is deliberate.<br><a href=3D"=
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%BE%8D" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wiktio=
nary.org/wiki/%E9%BE%8D</a><br>
<br>
>=3B WRT {yan} "sword":  =3BIn Cantonese=2C *yahn* means "edge of a s=
word" (lay'tel SIvten)<BR>I hadn't heard that this was supposed to be a pun=
.  =3BI wouldn't have thought of it if someone hadn't told me (i.e.=2C =
unlike "dragon"=2C which is immediately obvious if you say the Klingon word=
to a Cantonese speaker).  =3BYes=2C it sounds like a word in Cantonese=
=2C but it's not a common enough word that I'd expect someone to know it if=
they didn't speak the language (the exception is if they learned Cantonese=
through association with martial arts=2C and know the names of weapons and=
weapon parts).<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%88%83" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%88%83</a><BR><br><BR>
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