[89550] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: mu'mey chu': jul
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Fri Sep 9 15:59:26 2011
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:53:25 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <CAFK8js0P5xiKgJHaUe1+=75VgJf=nPs_6itxhufykBoxi4PmgA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 9/9/2011 2:43 PM, ghunchu'wI' 'utlh wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM, David Trimboli<david@trimboli.name> wrote:
>> The third kind uses the two verbs of saying, {jatlh} and {ja'}...
>> Notice that {jatlh} and {ja'} are the ONLY known
>> verbs of saying!
>
> I accept that they are the only two verbs that are explicitly listed
> as such. I do not accept the proposition that no other verbs may be
> used along with quoted speech. The Great Hall joke from Power Klingon
> clearly uses both {tlhob} and {jang} that way:
>
> lutlhob<naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'?>
> They ask him, "Can we get to the Great Hall from here?'
> jang 'avwI'<lIchopbe'chugh ghewmey.>
> The guard answers, "If the bugs do not bite you."
That's true. However, I believe when Okrand explained this (a HolQeD
article, I believe), he specifically said that {jang} could NOT be used
as a verb of saying. (I don't remember what he said about {tlhob}.) I
don't have my sources handy, and I don't completely remember the details
of the explanation, but what it came down to was that {jatlh} and {ja'}
were the only known verbs of saying, and the above joke was directly
contradicted.
Maybe there are rules beyond his explanation that allow such usage, or
maybe it's an "error."
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