[89537] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: mu'mey chu': jul
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Fri Sep 9 12:50:32 2011
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:44:45 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <C305E6BD33E2654DAE1F8F403247B6A602D46C604C77@EVS02.ad.uchicago.edu>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
On 9/9/2011 12:12 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
> ghunchu'wI':
>>> chaq qIDHey yajlaH ghaH neH.<pe'vIl> rurlaH.
> De'vID:
>> qID 'oH'a'<pe'vIl>?
>
> Add the topic marker {-'e'} to the subject of a pronoun as verb
> sentence:
>
> qID 'oH'a'<pe'vIl>'e'?
>
>
>> qIDvam yajlaHchugh ghaH neH, chay' qIDna' 'oH 'e' DaSovlaw'?
>>
>> (A bit rusty… someone remind me if the<chay'> should go between
>> the<'oH> and the<'e'>.)
>
> Oops! This is the forbidden question-as-object. An easy work-around
> is just to split it in two:
>
> qIDna' 'oH'a'<pe'vIl>'e'? chay' bISov?
This is one of those rhetorical tricks that I don't believe Klingons
would approve of. You're not asking whether {pe'vIl} is a joke; you're
asking how you KNOW {pe'vIl} is a joke. I strongly doubt that Klingons
employ rhetorical questions with the frequency that list members do to
work around problems like this.
I don't think the original attempt was a question-as-object; it was one
sentence embedded inside another improperly. The writer started with
{qIDna' 'oH 'e' DaSovlaw'} "you seem to know that it is a definite joke"
and then stuck {chay'} at the beginning to ask "HOW... [do] you seem to
know that it is a definite joke."
qIDna' 'oH chay' 'e' DaSov?
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