[89495] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'maH vagh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Sep 7 20:36:06 2011
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:27:51 -0700
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W2487D4498E8F3230D81F2BAA1F0@phx.gbl>
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Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
At 16:56 07/09/2011, you wrote:
>I might hold off on the comments to 16 and 17 so I can catch up!
>
>ghItlhpu' Qov, jatlh:
> > jatlh HoD, "bIqej jatlh chIjwI'.
>
>If you phrase it like that, it sounds like the actual word the navigator
>said to the captain was "bIqej" - that is, that the navigator told the
>captain that *he* was grouchy. I think you need bIqej 'e' jatlh chIjwI'.
Ah, good catch.Am I even allowed to say it the way you suggest? I
think I'll avoid it.
changed it to: jatlh chIjwI' qejlaw' QeDpIn
> > not qaSpa' DaHjaj tlhIngan vIqIHchugh,
>
>There seems to be a tendency developing in a lot of Klingon prose to put
>the adverb at the start of the entire sentence, including any subordinate
>clauses. Here it led me down the garden path a bit. "Before today never
>happened..."? I think you should move not: qaSpa' DaHjaj not tlhIngan
>vIqIHchugh "if I had never met the Klingon before today".
It comes from a paranoid strict reading of TKD on adverbs and nouns
with other functions. But you're quite right here. I'll move it and
if anyone objects we can all hash it out. I miss BG debates with
misinformed beginners. It kept it all fresh for me.
> > Dujmaj lujon 'ej nuHoH ... qoj nujoy'."
>
>I really, really like your use of qoj here. How many times does a variant
>of the tired old exchange come up in fiction: "They might torture us!"
>"Or kill us!" "Or both!" Klingon sidesteps it so neatly.
It's the only language I know with a choice in ORs, and I do my best
to select the right one. I was so immersed in this I didn't even
notice that it was the Klingon version of that joke.
> > "chaq Daj tlhIngan Satlh mIw."
>
>Hee hee. Dajbej'a' tlhIngan Satlh mIw? vItu'meH jIboH. :)
Do'Ha', Satlh tej SoH 'e' vISovpa' 'ay''a'vetlh vIqonta'. SoHvaD
tlhIngan Satlh mIw Daj vI'oghnIS. wa' vISov 'ej vInabta', 'ach
latlhmey Dabajta'.
