[88213] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: muD Dotlh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv)
Tue Aug 24 20:19:31 2010
From: "lojmIt tI'wI' nuv" <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <F52986192E9FE346B0B7EF3D6F98E87706A48B4E@EXDB3.ug.kth.se>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:12:18 -0400
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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Well, your first supposition could almost make it if you consider {tugh} to be a time element, but it is actually an adverb, and as a time element, it violates one of the rules we've learned about Klingon culture: A Klingon may be inaccurate, but he is NEVER approximate.
The second speculation is far less substantive, given the difference between a relative clause describing a noun and an adverbial describing a verb. Grammatically, they are not really related.
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> Hmm, well, according to Klingonska Akademien, "The adverbial normally preceedes the object verb subject construction, but is sometimes itself preceeded by other elements (typically a time element such as at three o'clock or tomorrow).", so it doesn't seem impossible that you could go with {tugh ghaytan SIS.}, but that's mostly speculation on my part.
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> Also, more speculation on my part: We have seen such constructions as {yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'} ("the warrior who is brave and loyal"), so it doesn't seem impossible that one could make such a construction as {ghaytan tugh je SIS.} ("it rains, soon and likely"). Not impossible, but also not certain.
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> //Felix, speculator without a license
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> So, I want to say, "It looks like it's going to rain soon."
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> First, I thought, {ghaytan tugh SIS.} But that uses two adverbials, and Okrand has never really smiled on that practice. So, then I thought, {tugh SISlaw'.} But that implies that soon it will appear to rain, or soon it will apparently rain...
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> So, then I start stretching it out to uglier constructions, like {tugh SIS 'e' vIpIH.}
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> Is that really the best I can do with this language? Something as common as "It looks like it's going to rain soon," is a problem?
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> SISbogh chal rur chalvam.
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> tugh SISmo' Hurgh chal.
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> jatlh HomDu'wIj. tugh SIS.
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> juH vIghoStaHvIS ghaytan jIyIQchoH
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> pItlh.
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