[86330] in tlhIngan-Hol
{vIl} (was Re: News from Maltz)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI')
Tue Jul 28 07:49:52 2009
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From: "ghunchu'wI'" <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:47:27 -0400
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:04 PM, David Trimboli wrote:
> ghunchu'wI' wrote:
>> 2) The noun {vIl} is hard to define. Maltz had given a description
>> of something which was immediately recognized as a speed bump by
>> everyone present, but it was apparently intended not as an actual
>> definition but as an example of something which is "just there".
>> There is obviously an etymological relationship with and {vIlle'},
>> which is currently the best clue we have to its true meaning.
>> ["Groupie" and "entourage" were suggested by those present at the
>> time, but Marc didn't think they fit.]
>
> Ummm... that doesn't make any sense to me. Can you explain further?
Consider someone who keeps showing up when you go places. This
person doesn't necessarily have any particular importance to what
you're doing, and it wouldn't matter to you at all if he or she
weren't present, but the person is "just there". That would be a {vIl}.
It also can describe someone who hangs around, ready to help out,
whether or not you need anyone to help you. Again, it wouldn't make
any difference to you if the person weren't there.
Here is a direct quote from Marc Okrand: "A {vIlle'}, on the other
hand, is definitely someone you want to have around -- a follower,
disciple, fan, admirer, minion."
-- ghunchu'wI'
