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Re: {vIl} (was Re: News from Maltz)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Tue Jul 28 08:51:11 2009
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:48:15 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
In-reply-to: <E500F633-3931-4A99-B7AA-981F7D3F10D4@alcaco.net>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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ghunchu'wI' wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:04 PM, David Trimboli wrote:
>
>> ghunchu'wI' wrote:
>>> 2) The noun {vIl} is hard to define. Maltz had given a description
>>> of something which was immediately recognized as a speed bump by
>>> everyone present, but it was apparently intended not as an actual
>>> definition but as an example of something which is "just there".
>>> There is obviously an etymological relationship with and {vIlle'},
>>> which is currently the best clue we have to its true meaning.
>>> ["Groupie" and "entourage" were suggested by those present at the
>>> time, but Marc didn't think they fit.]
>> Ummm... that doesn't make any sense to me. Can you explain further?
>
> Consider someone who keeps showing up when you go places. This
> person doesn't necessarily have any particular importance to what
> you're doing, and it wouldn't matter to you at all if he or she
> weren't present, but the person is "just there". That would be a {vIl}.
Oh! It's the thing your aunt gave you which you don't know what it is.
So {vIl} means "someone or something one can always find around."
> It also can describe someone who hangs around, ready to help out,
> whether or not you need anyone to help you. Again, it wouldn't make
> any difference to you if the person weren't there.
>
> Here is a direct quote from Marc Okrand: "A {vIlle'}, on the other
> hand, is definitely someone you want to have around -- a follower,
> disciple, fan, admirer, minion."
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