[84074] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Some ?New Official Marc Okrand
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Jan 28 17:03:20 2008
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:01:25 -0600
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hijqa@aol.com wrote:
> > from the annotations to the book on line :
> > http://www.allyngibson.net/st-const.html
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I'd never seen these examples
before.
> > "Tera'ngan Ha'DIbah!"
> > Translated literally: "Terran animal!"
KCD: {verengan Ha'DIbaH} - This phrase literally means Ferengi animal, but
translating it as Ferengi dog carries more of the flavor of the insult.
KGT 152: {Ha'DIbaH} means "animal" in general (also "meat" of any kind),
but when applied to a person, it is an insult. It is most frequently used
epithetically--that is, in name calling--as in {romuluS Ha'DIbaH!}
("Romulan dog!"; literally, "Romulan animal!").
KGT 167: {muyIv romuluS Ha'DIbaH} ("The Romulan dog irks me"; literally,
"The Romulan animal chews me", where "Romulan animal" is a derogatory way
to refer to a Romulan).
Interesting... Okrand prefers {romuluS Ha'DIbaH} instead of *{romuluSngan
Ha'DIbaH} in the KGT examples vs. {tera'ngan Ha'DIbaH} and {verengan
Ha'DIbaH}.
qa'pIn:
>You might want to redo that one with correct letters 8-)
> {tera'ngan Ha'DIbaH}
Doq wrote:
>He uses lowercase {h} in {Ha'DIbah}.
ghunchu'wI':
>The capital T at the beginning of the phrase tells me to shrug it off
>as an editing issue, and not to consider it a problem with the original.
Indeed. This is quite common in the published novels by Simon &
Schuster/Pocket Books. Sentences and ships' names are almost always
capitalized irregardless of the rules of Okrand's system. This may be an
editorial house rule or a an old habit dying hard. Either way, the copy
editor probably feels he/she is simply correcting a typo in the author's
manuscript.
> > qab yon Da'agh. qablIj yon yI'aghHa' 'aghHa'pa' 'etlhwIj.
> > Scrape that smug look from your face before my blade does it for you.
> > ("You display a satisfied face. Dis-display your satisfied face before
> > my blade dis-displays it.")
>
> > chobelHa'moH, DI'qar. SajlIj 'oHbe' quvwIj'e'.
> > You disappoint me, D'Kar. My honor is not your play-thing.
> > ("You displease me, D'Kar. My honor is not your pet.")
No new verbs in this material, but notice two new suffixed forms of
existing verbs: {'aghHa'} "dis-display" and {belHa'moH} "displease,
disappoint". {belmoH} "please (someone)" previously appeared without
{-Ha'} in Power Klingon:
qabelmoH'a'
Do I please you? PK
Also, a very nice use of {yon} "be satisfied" for "smug".
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
