[83986] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Missing question words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doq)
Wed Jan 16 09:11:01 2008
From: Doq <doq@embarqmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <478D0106.8060604@trimboli.name>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:09:35 -0500
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
I never thought that {-Daq} had anything to do with motion or
direction. It merely indicates location. {-vo'} adds direction to {-
Daq} the way that {-ta'} adds intentionality to {-pu'}. My mistake was
to presume that direction implied motion. It's a simple enough error,
since contexts where direction don't imply motion are somewhat
limited. It involved a set of verbs small enough that I overlooked them.
As for {DungwIjDaq}, we should note that this probably indicates that
the {DaqwIjvo'} that I didn't like earlier is probably an official
grammatical error. The {-vo'} turns this into a locative, and as such,
it should have just been {jIHvo'}. Then again, this is the kind of
error that even Okrand may have made in earlier canon.
It maps better in English to say "the area above me" instead of "at my
area above".
Doq
On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:52 PM, David Trimboli wrote:
> Doq wrote:
>> My problem with {-vo'}/{-Daq} for an expression of distance is that
>> it
>> implies motion, and "distance" does not. If you used {joj}, you could
>> similarly describe the distance without implying any directional
>> motion. Meanwhile, I doubt we have much in the way of canon use of
>> {joj} and I personally find it somewhat awkward to use.
>
> I don't think {-vo'} or {-Daq} have to imply motion. Certainly not the
> latter! Would you object to:
>
> raSDaq HIvje' tu'lu'
> There is a cup on the table.
>
> QongDaqDajDaq QongtaH
> He is sleeping in his bed.
>
> jIH DungDaq joqtaH joqwI'
> A flag is fluttering above me.
>
> (Note that the last is not {DungwIjDaq}, as per KGT p. 24 — I'm not
> from
> Sa'Qej.}
>
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