[83985] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Missing question words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doq)
Wed Jan 16 09:03:42 2008
From: Doq <doq@embarqmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <f5b478ef0801152024y58ac1cb6l28a4877c78dc879d@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:01:41 -0500
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
That's really interesting, since the rays you see when you see don't
start at your eyes and go to what you are looking at. They go the
other way.
Doq
On Jan 15, 2008, at 11:24 PM, qa'vaj wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2008 12:35 PM, Doq <doq@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> My problem with {-vo'}/{-Daq} for an expression of distance is that
>> it
>> implies motion, and "distance" does not. If you used {joj}, you could
>> similarly describe the distance without implying any directional
>> motion. Meanwhile, I doubt we have much in the way of canon use of
>> {joj} and I personally find it somewhat awkward to use.
>>
>>
>> Don't forget {tIngvo' 'evDaq chanDaq}, which is an idiomatic
>> expression
> for 'everywhere', without implying motion.
>
> I don't view {-vo'}/{-Daq} pairing as expressing distance. I see it
> as a
> locative that is conceptually like a line segment between two defined
> endpoints, starting at {-vo'} and ending at {-Daq}. A path.
> Distance would
> be a measure of the length of the segment. I'm not sure if we have
> a way to
> talk about the size of a locative expression. That would be
> required in
> order to talk about the distance for a locative path defined with
> {-vo')/{-Daq}.
>
> I think the canon supports the idea of {-vo'} being like a
> mathematical
> 'ray' outward from a point. If motion is implied in the verb, then
> the
> {-vo'}-ray defines the starting point and direction of the motion.
> There
> probably aren't many verbs that can use such a locative without
> implying
> motion, but {legh} is one.
>
>
>
> --
> qa'vaj
> qo'lIj DachenmoHtaH
>
>
>
