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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -meH with -pu'/-ta'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Wed Mar 13 11:28:48 2019
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:21:22 -0400
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:52 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote=
:
> This is all I have in my notes about {=E2=80=98an}:
>
>
>
> =E2=80=98an waste (v) (qep'a' 2018)
> "as someone sacrifices forces for a certain goal or just wastes one=
=E2=80=99s
> resources" (qep'a' 2018)
>
> =E2=80=98anmoH sacrifice (v) (qep'a' 2018)
>
>
>
> Does anyone have anything else, for example being used in a sentence by
> Okrand from the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99?
>
>
>
> -- Voragh
>
On Facebook, Lieven posted a video where he was talking about some of the
new words with Okrand. Okrand glossed {'an} as "be a waste", as a stative
verb instead of a transitive one.
As for the original question, using {-meH} with {-pu'} or {-ta'} seems like
it would mean something like "in order to complete doing something".
{paq vIlaDta'meH juHwIjDaq jIratlh.} "I stayed home to complete/finish
reading the book." I wanted to make "reading the book" a completed action,
so I stayed home. Something like that. It might not translate easily into
English but the usage makes sense.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:52 AM Ste=
ven Boozer <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_1950587883000231332WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is all I have in my notes a=
bout {=E2=80=98an}:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=E2=80=98an =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 waste (v) (qep'a' 2018)
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"as someone sacrifices forces for a certain go=
al or just wastes one=E2=80=99s resources" (qep'a' 2018)<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=E2=80=98anmoH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 sacrifice (v) (qe=
p'a' 2018)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Does anyone have anything else, =
for example being used in a sentence by Okrand from the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=
=99?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">-- Voragh</span><br></p></div></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default">On Facebook, Lieven posted a video where=
he was talking about some of the new words with Okrand. Okrand glossed {&#=
39;an} as "be a waste", as a stative verb instead of a transitive=
one.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"g=
mail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f" class=3D"gmail_default">As for the original question, using {-meH} with =
{-pu'} or {-ta'} seems like it would mean something like "in o=
rder to complete doing something".<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default">{paq vIlaD=
ta'meH juHwIjDaq jIratlh.} "I stayed home to complete/finish readi=
ng the book." I wanted to make "reading the book" a complete=
d action, so I stayed home. Something like that. It might not translate eas=
ily into English but the usage makes sense.<br></div></div></div>
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