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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Using -ta' during -taHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Feb 25 14:16:16 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:16:11 -0500
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If you make a vague statement in Klingon, we can=E2=80=99t decide which =
of three precise English sentences it means.
The Klingon sentence you=E2=80=99ve made is ambiguous, as has been =
pointed out. Context could disambiguate, or you could consider =
translating each of your meanings more precisely:
During ten years, I fed the cat once.
qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS wa=E2=80=99logh vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99=
.
During ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times.
qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS rut vIghro=E2=80=99 vije.
During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat.
qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS reH vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99taH.=20
Note this sounds like an exaggeration, since no cat would tolerate you =
constantly bothering it with food it didn=E2=80=99t want.
Perhaps:
qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS, qaSDI' Hoch jaj wa=E2=80=99logh vIghro=E2=80=
=99 vije=E2=80=99.
I have a nagging feeling that I should have said {jaj Hoch} instead of =
{Hoch jaj}. One means =E2=80=9Cevery=E2=80=9D and the other means =
=E2=80=9Ceach=E2=80=9D, and I don=E2=80=99t remember which is which.
This is a great opportunity for someone to correct me.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Feb 25, 2019, at 9:42 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Suppose I write:
> {qaStaHvIS wa'maH DIS, vIghro' vIje'ta'}.
>=20
> What does it mean ?
> "During ten years, I fed the cat once"
> "During ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times"
> "During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat"
>=20
> Which of the sentences above, correctly describes the meaning of the
> original klingon sentence ?
>=20
> ~ mayqel *capricorn* qunen'oS
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class=3D"">If you make a vague statement in Klingon, we can=E2=80=99t =
decide which of three precise English sentences it means.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The Klingon sentence =
you=E2=80=99ve made is ambiguous, as has been pointed out. Context could =
disambiguate, or you could consider translating each of your meanings =
more precisely:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">During ten years, I fed the cat once.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS wa=E2=80=99l=
ogh vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">During ten years, I fed the cat an =
unspecified number of times.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS rut =
vIghro=E2=80=99 vije.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH =
DIS reH vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99taH. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Note this sounds like an exaggeration, =
since no cat would tolerate you constantly bothering it with food it =
didn=E2=80=99t want.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Perhaps:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS, qaSDI' Hoch jaj wa=E2=80=99logh =
vIghro=E2=80=99 vije=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have a nagging feeling that I should =
have said {jaj Hoch} instead of {Hoch jaj}. One means =E2=80=9Cevery=E2=80=
=9D and the other means =E2=80=9Ceach=E2=80=9D, and I don=E2=80=99t =
remember which is which.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">This is a great opportunity for someone to correct =
me.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"">On Feb 25, 2019, at 9:42 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Suppose I write:<br class=3D"">{qaStaHvIS wa'maH DIS, vIghro' =
vIje'ta'}.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">What does it mean ?<br =
class=3D"">"During ten years, I fed the cat once"<br class=3D"">"During =
ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times"<br =
class=3D"">"During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat"<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Which of the sentences above, correctly =
describes the meaning of the<br class=3D"">original klingon sentence =
?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">~ mayqel *capricorn* qunen'oS<br =
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