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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Using -ta' during -taHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Clark)
Mon Feb 25 14:22:36 2019
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From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:22:30 -0500
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Hoch jaj =E2=80=94 all the days
Hoch jajmey =E2=80=94 each day
jaj Hoch =E2=80=94 all day
=E2=80=94jevreH
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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 14:16, Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
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> If you make a vague statement in Klingon, we can=E2=80=99t decide which of=
three precise English sentences it means.
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> The Klingon sentence you=E2=80=99ve made is ambiguous, as has been pointed=
out. Context could disambiguate, or you could consider translating each of y=
our meanings more precisely:
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> During ten years, I fed the cat once.
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> qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS wa=E2=80=99logh vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99=
.
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> During ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times.
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> qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS rut vIghro=E2=80=99 vije.
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> During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat.
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> qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS reH vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=80=99taH.=20
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> Note this sounds like an exaggeration, since no cat would tolerate you con=
stantly bothering it with food it didn=E2=80=99t want.
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> Perhaps:
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> qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS, qaSDI' Hoch jaj wa=E2=80=99logh vIghro=E2=80=
=99 vije=E2=80=99.
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> I have a nagging feeling that I should have said {jaj Hoch} instead of {Ho=
ch jaj}. One means =E2=80=9Cevery=E2=80=9D and the other means =E2=80=9Ceach=
=E2=80=9D, and I don=E2=80=99t remember which is which.
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> This is a great opportunity for someone to correct me.
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> charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
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> rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
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>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 9:42 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Suppose I write:
>> {qaStaHvIS wa'maH DIS, vIghro' vIje'ta'}.
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>> What does it mean ?
>> "During ten years, I fed the cat once"
>> "During ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times"
>> "During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat"
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>> Which of the sentences above, correctly describes the meaning of the
>> original klingon sentence ?
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>> ~ mayqel *capricorn* qunen'oS
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hoch jaj =E2=80=94 all the days<div>Hoch ja=
jmey =E2=80=94 each day</div><div>jaj Hoch =E2=80=94 all day<br><br>=E2=80=94=
jevreH<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><=
br>On Feb 25, 2019, at 14:16, Will Martin <<a href=3D"mailto:willmartin2@=
mac.com">willmartin2@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"><div class=3D"">If you make a vague statement in Klingon, we can=E2=80=
=99t decide which of three precise English sentences it means.</div><div cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The Klingon sentence you=E2=80=99=
ve made is ambiguous, as has been pointed out. Context could disambiguate, o=
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the cat once.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">qaS=
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je.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">During ten yea=
rs, I was constantly feeding the cat.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></=
div><div class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS reH vIghro=E2=80=99 vIje=E2=
=80=99taH. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">N=
ote this sounds like an exaggeration, since no cat would tolerate you consta=
ntly bothering it with food it didn=E2=80=99t want.</div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Perhaps:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D"">qaStaHvIS wa=E2=80=99maH DIS, qaSDI' Hoch jaj wa=E2=
=80=99logh vIghro=E2=80=99 vije=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"=
"></div><div class=3D"">I have a nagging feeling that I should have said {ja=
j Hoch} instead of {Hoch jaj}. One means =E2=80=9Cevery=E2=80=9D and the oth=
er means =E2=80=9Ceach=E2=80=9D, and I don=E2=80=99t remember which is which=
.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is a great o=
pportunity for someone to correct me.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></=
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Feb 25, 2019, at 9:42 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmai=
l.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-i=
nterchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Suppose I write:<br clas=
s=3D"">{qaStaHvIS wa'maH DIS, vIghro' vIje'ta'}.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"=
">What does it mean ?<br class=3D"">"During ten years, I fed the cat once"<b=
r class=3D"">"During ten years, I fed the cat an unspecified number of times=
"<br class=3D"">"During ten years, I was constantly feeding the cat"<br clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D"">Which of the sentences above, correctly describes the m=
eaning of the<br class=3D"">original klingon sentence ?<br class=3D""><br cl=
ass=3D"">~ mayqel *capricorn* qunen'oS<br class=3D"">_______________________=
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