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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Asking "why do I need to be there ?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christa Hansberry)
Fri Feb 22 20:14:24 2019
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Is that kinda like "ser" and "estar" in Spanish?
"Eso es un gato" (That is a cat) vs. "El gato est=C3=A1 en la casa" (The ca=
t is
in the house)
But if I were to ask "Where is the cat?" in Klingon, I'd say "nuqDaq
'oH(taH?) vIghro''e'?", rather than "nuqDaq SaH vIghro'?" And the answer
would likely be "juHDaq 'oHtaH vIghro''e'."... at least, that's my
understanding of the matter :-)
-QISta'
On Feb 22, 2019 3:55 PM, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> schrieb am Fr., 22. Feb. 2019, 23:26:
>
>
> Usually when we use pronouns as copulas in Klingon for =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=
=80=9D sentences,
> we=E2=80=99re really talking about identity (tlhIngan maH; raS 'oH; HoD g=
haH; yIH
> bIH), which is not the case in this sentence. =E2=80=9CWhy do I need to b=
e there=E2=80=9D
> is really asking why my presence is required, which is why in my Klingon
> suggestions I used jISaHnIS and vIpoQlu'.
>
Chinese also distinguishes between the "identity" and "existence" senses of
"to be". The former is =E6=98=AF ("I am a person") and the latter is =E5=9C=
=A8 ("I am
here").
--=20
De'vID
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Is that kinda like "ser" and "estar" in =
Spanish? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">"Eso es un gato" (That is a cat) vs. "El gato=
est=C3=A1 en la casa" (The cat is in the house)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">But if I were to ask "Where is the cat?" in Klingo=
n, I'd say "nuqDaq 'oH(taH?) vIghro''e'?", ra=
ther than "nuqDaq SaH vIghro'?" And the answer would likely b=
e "juHDaq 'oHtaH vIghro''e'."... at least, that&#=
39;s my understanding of the matter :-)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-QISta' <br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 22, 2019 3:55 PM, "De'vID" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><div class=3D"quoted-text"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Daniel Dadap <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@=
dadap.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">daniel@dadap.net</a>> sc=
hrieb am Fr., 22. Feb. 2019, 23:26:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"direction:rtl"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div>Usually when we use pronouns as copulas in Klingon for =E2=80=9Cto be=
=E2=80=9D sentences, we=E2=80=99re really talking about identity (tlhIngan =
maH; raS 'oH; HoD ghaH; yIH bIH), which is not the case in this sentenc=
e. =E2=80=9CWhy do I need to be there=E2=80=9D is really asking why my pres=
ence is required, which is why in my Klingon suggestions I used jISaHnIS an=
d vIpoQlu'.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div></div><div dir=3D"auto">Chinese also distinguishes between=
the "identity" and "existence" senses of "to be&q=
uot;. The former is =E6=98=AF ("I am a person") and the latter is=
=E5=9C=A8 ("I am here").=C2=A0</div><font color=3D"#888888"><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">--=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">De'vID</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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