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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] verbs with {-bogh} and numbers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Fri Oct 20 03:45:42 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:17:51 -0400
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:55 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets say I write:
>
> {qay'bogh ghu'}
> a situation which is a problem
>
> I can also write:
> {qay'bogh cha' ghu'}
> two situations which are problem
>
> But can I also write:
> {wej qay'bogh ghu'}
> three situations which are problem ?
>
1) The gloss for *qay'* is "be a problem, be a hassle". The use of "be" in
the gloss suggests it might be intended as a stative verb, though I don't
think it's ever been used either adjectivially or with a *-bogh* so I can't
say for sure. So you can probably just get away with *ghu' qay'*. (My usual
assumption is that a verb which has a "be" gloss can be used statively. I'm
not sure about words like *vIH* "move, be in motion" or *wal* "vibrate, be
in a state of vibration", in which the "be" gloss might simply be there to
clarify the intransitivity of the earlier non-"be" gloss.)
2) *wej qay'bogh ghu'* feels wrong to me. Are there examples where an N-N
construction or a number-N phrase is interrupted by an intervening *-bogh*
clause, *A (Vbogh B)*? In this case, *qay'* isn't transitive, so it's not
likely someone would get confused and interpret the *wej* as an object. But
splitting the construction like that feels... awkward. It might not be
strictly ungrammatical (or it might be) but stylistically it's kind of
jarring.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:55 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Lets say I write:<br>
<br>
{qay'bogh ghu'}<br>
a situation which is a problem<br>
<br>
I can also write:<br>
{qay'bogh cha' ghu'}<br>
two situations which are problem<br>
<br>
But can I also write:<br>
{wej qay'bogh ghu'}<br>
three situations which are problem ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1)=
The gloss for <b>qay'</b> is "be a problem, be a hassle". Th=
e use of "be" in the gloss suggests it might be intended as a sta=
tive verb, though I don't think it's ever been used either adjectiv=
ially or with a <b>-bogh</b> so I can't say for sure. So you can probab=
ly just get away with <b>ghu' qay'</b>. (My usual assumption is tha=
t a verb which has a "be" gloss can be used statively. I'm no=
t sure about words like <b>vIH</b> "move, be in motion" or <b>wal=
</b> "vibrate, be in a state of vibration", in which the "be=
" gloss might simply be there to clarify the intransitivity of the ear=
lier non-"be" gloss.)</div><div><br></div><div>2) <b>wej qay'=
bogh ghu'</b> feels wrong to me. Are there examples where an N-N constr=
uction or a number-N phrase is interrupted by an intervening <b>-bogh</b> c=
lause, <b>A (Vbogh B)</b>? In this case, <b>qay'</b> isn't transiti=
ve, so it's not likely someone would get confused and interpret the <b>=
wej</b> as an object. But splitting the construction like that feels... awk=
ward. It might not be strictly ungrammatical (or it might be) but stylistic=
ally it's kind of jarring.<br></div></div></div></div>
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