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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One more day
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Oct 11 04:26:11 2017
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On 10/10/2017 12:51 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>
> I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't express
> what I thought of the nouns at the time; they tell what I think of
> them when I say the sentence.
>
> It's interesting that you don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I
> thought it was a good example of a spectrum of something like
> "increasing belief on my part that this thing can or should be
> described by this noun", from *-qoq* ("obviously not such a thing") to
> *-na'* ("definitely such a thing"). That's a good point about how they
> apply at the time of speaking, though. (At first I was going to argue
> that in the right context they could be taken to mean "what I thought
> of them at the time", like if they were contrasted with each other in
> some kind of temporal sequence, but I think that's mostly just because
> I really liked that example and want to salvage it somehow.)
Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the
sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it. We've
seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes. But we haven't
actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as I know, so no point
trying to find a way to make it so.
You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes and
*-ghach:* *SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach* for something like
/fight from start to finish./ There's an unmistakable sequence here, but
it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. And with this one there's
actually little point to nominalizing it; just say *SuvchoH SuvtaH
Suvpu'.* Interpret it with full stops after each word if you must.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2017 12:51 PM, nIqolay Q
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<p>I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't
express what I thought of the nouns at the time; they tell
what I think of them when I say the sentence. <br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">It's interesting that you
don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I thought it was a good
example of a spectrum of something like "increasing belief on my
part that this thing can or should be described by this noun",
from <b>-qoq</b> ("obviously not such a thing") to <b>-na'</b>
("definitely such a thing"). That's a good point about how they
apply at the time of speaking, though. (At first I was going to
argue that in the right context they could be taken to mean
"what I thought of them at the time", like if they were
contrasted with each other in some kind of temporal sequence,
but I think that's mostly just because I really liked that
example and want to salvage it somehow.)</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the
sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it.
We've seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes.
But we haven't actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as
I know, so no point trying to find a way to make it so.</p>
<p>You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes
and <b>-ghach:</b> <b>SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach</b>
for something like <i>fight from start to finish.</i> There's an
unmistakable sequence here, but it doesn't exactly roll off the
tongue. And with this one there's actually little point to
nominalizing it; just say <b>SuvchoH SuvtaH Suvpu'.</b> Interpret
it with full stops after each word if you must.<br>
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