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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] DSC Klingon Trailer transcription (NOT offlist)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Oct 6 04:31:12 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:05:24 +0300
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Before I start let me clarify that I mean no disrespect to anyone..
..but reading this thread there is something which irritates me.
We're concerning ourselves, with regards to the {wInobmeH} vs {DInobmeH}.
However it is known that 'oqranD wasn't the one who wrote it.
So, why may I ask do we need to take it so seriously into account ?
If this sentence was written here by a beginner, then he would be corrected
on the spot, and we would all move on.
If this sentence was written here by a grammarian, perhaps noone would say
anything, but again we would move on, without trying to concoct new
theories with regards to its new application of the prefix trick.
So, why bother ourselves with a sentence which's only significance, is the
fact that it appears in a movie, but other than that 'oqranD wasn't the
author ?
..and something else
..with no intention to disrespect anyone
I read that perhaps 'oqranD will canonize this ungrammatical sentence,
because it appears in the movie..
So, what is actually happening here is:
Someone who perhaps knows 'oqranD personally, writes a wrong sentence. And
'oqranD, out of kindness, because he doesn't want to say "you're wrong", to
someone who people consider an expert, canonizes something which
contradicts the things which we already know.
So, I, the fool who tries to learn the language, have to learn the mistake
someone else made, and like it.
In my humble opinion, this is not respectful to the people who try to learn
the language, people who without them, klingon would be nothing.
If indeed "we succeed together in a greater whole", that "whole" has to be
respected, and not having the mistakes of others being forced upon it.
People who have taken time out of their lives in order to learn the
language deserve better.
mayqel q
On Oct 5, 2017 09:46, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 05.10.2017 um 08:20 schrieb De'vID:
>
>> Let me also point out that Marc Okrand liked the tweet, whatever that's
>> worth.
>>
>
> Yes, could be anything. Because he likes a tweet does not meant that he
> agrees to what it says. He could also be sitting in his chair, grinning and
> think like "hehe - they're all so wrong, I like that." :-D
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"
> http://www.klingonisch.net
> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Maltz
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<div dir=3D"auto">Before I start let me clarify that I mean no disrespect t=
o anyone..<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">..but reading this =
thread there is something which irritates me.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">We're concerning ourselves, with regards to the {=
wInobmeH} vs {DInobmeH}. However it is known that 'oqranD wasn't th=
e one who wrote it.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, =
why may I ask do we need to take it so seriously into account ?</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If this sentence was written here b=
y a beginner, then he would be corrected on the spot, and we would all move=
on.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If this sentence wa=
s written here by a grammarian, perhaps noone would say anything, but again=
we would move on, without trying to concoct new theories with regards to i=
ts new application of the prefix trick.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">So, why bother ourselves with a sentence which's only s=
ignificance, is the fact that it appears in a movie, but other than that &#=
39;oqranD wasn't the author ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">..and something else</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">..with no intention to disrespect anyone</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">I read that perhaps 'oqranD will canonize this =
ungrammatical sentence, because it appears in the movie..</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, what is actually happening here is:</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Someone who perhaps knows=
'oqranD personally, writes a wrong sentence. And 'oqranD, out of k=
indness, because he doesn't want to say "you're wrong", t=
o someone who people consider an expert, canonizes something which contradi=
cts the things which we already know.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">So, I, the fool who tries to learn the language, have to lear=
n the mistake someone else made, and like it.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">In my humble opinion, this is not respectful to the p=
eople who try to learn the language, people who without them, klingon would=
be nothing.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If indeed &=
quot;we succeed together in a greater whole", that "whole" h=
as to be respected, and not having the mistakes of others being forced upon=
it.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">People who have tak=
en time out of their lives in order to learn the language deserve better.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">mayqel q</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 5, 2017 09:46, =
"Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</=
a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 05.=
10.2017 um 08:20 schrieb De'vID:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Let me also point out that Marc Okrand liked the tweet, whatever that's=
worth.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Yes, could be anything. Because he likes a tweet does not meant that he agr=
ees to what it says. He could also be sitting in his chair, grinning and th=
ink like "hehe - they're all so wrong, I like that." :-D<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonisch.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.klingonisch.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Maltz" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/<wbr>Maltz</a><br>
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