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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qepHom grammar questions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Fri Oct 6 04:16:09 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 18:50:02 -0400
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On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 5:20 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is it the *-qang* suffix that's the problem, then?
> Does *yaSvaD taj nobqang qama' *not have an indirect object now, because
> the giving is only potential and might not actually happen?
> And would *bangwI', SoHvaD wa'SaD SuvwI' vIHoHta' *now have an indirect
> object, because the killing has happened in reality and my beloved (the
> "you" being addressed) has received some sign of devotion from that?
> In* bangwI',* *SoHvaD wa'SaD SuvwI' vIHoHqang*, are the warriors not
> really a direct object, because they only exist hypothetically and
> therefore nothing is directly happening to them? Am I not a subject because
> I haven't actually done any killing yet? Where's the dividing line between
> semantic and syntactic role here?
>
> In any case, I'm not sure this discussion is going to get anywhere just
> relying on our own interpretations of Okrand's use of terminology, since we
> don't accept each other's interpretations.
>
I have just realized that it's not very honorable to say that I don't think
the discussion can get anywhere, while forgetting to remove the questions
intended to inspire further discussion. You don't have to answer those.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Oct 5, 2017 at 5:20 PM, nIqolay Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail=
to:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<span class=3D""></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div>Is it the <b>-qang</b> suffix that&=
#39;s the problem, then?<br></div><div>Does <span class=3D"m_80451514337894=
44099gmail-im"><b>yaSvaD taj nobqang qama' </b>not have an indirect obj=
ect now, because the giving is only potential and might not actually happen=
?<br></span></div><div>And would <span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-=
"><b>bangwI', SoHvaD wa'SaD SuvwI' vIHoHta' </b>now have an=
indirect object, because the killing has happened in reality and my belove=
d (the "you" being addressed) has received some sign of devotion =
from that?</span></div><div><span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-"></s=
pan></div><div><span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-im"></span></div><=
div>In<span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-"><b> bangwI',</b></spa=
n><b> </b><span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-"><span class=3D"m_8045=
151433789444099gmail-"></span><b><span class=3D"m_8045151433789444099gmail-=
">SoHvaD</span> wa'SaD SuvwI' vIHoHqang</b>, are the warriors not r=
eally a direct object, because they only exist hypothetically and therefore=
nothing is directly happening to them? Am I not a subject because I haven&=
#39;t actually done any killing yet? Where's the dividing line between =
semantic and syntactic role here?</span>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>In any case, I'=
;m not sure this discussion is going to get anywhere just relying on our ow=
n interpretations of Okrand's use of terminology, since we don't ac=
cept each other's interpretations.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>I have just realized that it's not very honorable t=
o say that I don't think the discussion can get anywhere, while forgett=
ing to remove the questions intended to inspire further discussion. You don=
't have to answer those.<br></div></div><br></div></div>
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