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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (kechpaja)
Wed Sep 27 04:51:32 2017
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As someone who has a copy of TKD on my bookshelf, I'm inclined to agree
with the two-word interpretation, although I also originally parsed it
as one word. =
However, as a historical linguist, I'm tempted to point out that the
{-taH} verb suffix is almost certain etymologically derived from the
verb {taH} or vice versa. Given that information, whether or not the =
{-taH} actually connects to the verb starts looking a bit less =
important. We'd only be able to hear the difference if (a) the {taHjaj}
were preceded by an adverbial, or (b) the {maH} took the {-neS} suffix.
Perhaps the {-taH} morpheme has become a full-fledged suffix in most =
cases, but remains (somewhat) separate in a few edge cases, such as =
when {-jaj} is used. =
- SapIr, who
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 01:27:35AM +0000, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> > -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
> =
> =
> It's worth noting that so do =ABwo' DevtaHjaj ghawran=BB and =ABwo' ghawr=
an DevtaHjaj=BB, which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar. Could b=
e seen as a mistake, but then again, using mu'mey ru' in toasts and wishes =
appeals to me somehow.
> =
> =
> In any event, it's been clarified by Mary Chieffo that the sentence means=
"We are Klingon, let it remain.", which strongly suggests that it's =ABtlh=
Ingan maH. taHjaj.=BB
> =
> https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-speak-klingon-=
star-trek-discoverys-mary-chieffo-can/105832414/?utm_source=3Dfeedblitz&utm=
_medium=3DFeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=3Dusatoday-lifetopstories
> =
> =
> ...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase =
as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 + -jaj r=
ule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means there should =
indeed be a space in there :P
> =
> =
> //loghaD
> =
> =
> ________________________________
> From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Mich=
ael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 23:09
> To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
> =
> -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
> =
> =
> =
> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
> Sent from my Palm Pre
> =
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Andr=E9 M=FCller <esperantist@gmail.com>
> Date: 9/26/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00)
> To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
> =
> Interesting, thanks for this video!
> =
> When I heard the Klingons say their favorite sentence several times in th=
e show, I understood it as: {tlhIngan maHtaHjaj.}, literally 'May we contin=
ue to be Klingons.' - you had it as {tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.}, 'We are Klingo=
ns. May this continue.'
> =
> Both make sense, I prefer my interpretation with one verb. What say you?
> =
> - Andr=E9
> =
> 2017-09-26 22:22 GMT+02:00 Lieven <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de=
>>:
> Hi there,
> =
> visit my channel on YouTube and find an exclusive interview with Marc Okr=
and talking about Star Trek: Discovery and pronouncing some of the new word=
s which had been revealed at qep'a' 2017.
> =
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnBgW0YNHSfw
> =
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
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