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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Sep 27 04:36:30 2017
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> -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
It's worth noting that so do =ABwo' DevtaHjaj ghawran=BB and =ABwo' ghawran=
DevtaHjaj=BB, which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar. Could be =
seen as a mistake, but then again, using mu'mey ru' in toasts and wishes ap=
peals to me somehow.
In any event, it's been clarified by Mary Chieffo that the sentence means "=
We are Klingon, let it remain.", which strongly suggests that it's =ABtlhIn=
gan maH. taHjaj.=BB
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-speak-klingon-st=
ar-trek-discoverys-mary-chieffo-can/105832414/?utm_source=3Dfeedblitz&utm_m=
edium=3DFeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=3Dusatoday-lifetopstories
...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase as=
*tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 + -jaj rul=
e to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means there should in=
deed be a space in there :P
//loghaD
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l Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com>
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To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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-taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
~Michael Roney, Jr.
Sent from my Palm Pre
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From: Andr=E9 M=FCller <esperantist@gmail.com>
Date: 9/26/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00)
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
Interesting, thanks for this video!
When I heard the Klingons say their favorite sentence several times in the =
show, I understood it as: {tlhIngan maHtaHjaj.}, literally 'May we continue=
to be Klingons.' - you had it as {tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.}, 'We are Klingons=
. May this continue.'
Both make sense, I prefer my interpretation with one verb. What say you?
- Andr=E9
2017-09-26 22:22 GMT+02:00 Lieven <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>>=
:
Hi there,
visit my channel on YouTube and find an exclusive interview with Marc Okran=
d talking about Star Trek: Discovery and pronouncing some of the new words =
which had been revealed at qep'a' 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnBgW0YNHSfw
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aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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<p>> -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7. <br>
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<p>It's worth noting that so do =ABwo' DevtaHjaj ghawran=BB and =ABwo' ghaw=
ran DevtaHjaj=BB, which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar. Could =
be seen as a mistake, but then again, using mu'mey ru' in toasts and wishes=
appeals to me somehow.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In any event, it's been clarified by Mary Chieffo that the sentence=
means "We are Klingon, let it remain.", which strongly sugg=
ests that it's =ABtlhIngan maH. taHjaj.=BB</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-sp=
eak-klingon-star-trek-discoverys-mary-chieffo-can/105832414/?utm_source=3Df=
eedblitz&utm_medium=3DFeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=3Dusatoday-lifetops=
tories">https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-speak-kl=
ingon-star-trek-discoverys-mary-chieffo-can/105832414/?utm_source=3Dfeedbli=
tz&utm_medium=3DFeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=3Dusatoday-lifetopstories=
</a></p>
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<p>...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase=
as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 + -=
jaj rule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means there sh=
ould indeed be a space in there :P</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>//loghaD</p>
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<div>-taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7. </div>
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<div id=3D"composer_signature">~Michael Roney, Jr.
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<div>Interesting, thanks for this video!<br>
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When I heard the Klingons say their favorite sentence several times in the =
show, I understood it as: {tlhIngan maHtaHjaj.}, literally 'May we continue=
to be Klingons.' – you had it as {tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.}, 'We are Kl=
ingons. May this continue.'<br>
<br>
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Both make sense, I prefer my interpretation with one verb. What say you?<br=
>
<br>
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- Andr=E9<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-09-26 22:22 GMT+02:00 Lieven <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@=
gmx.de</a>></span>:<br>
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px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
Hi there,<br>
<br>
visit my channel on YouTube and find an exclusive interview with Marc Okran=
d talking about Star Trek: Discovery and pronouncing some of the new words =
which had been revealed at qep'a' 2017.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnBgW0YNHSfw" rel=3D"noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=3DnBgW0YNHSfw</a><=
span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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t=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingo<wbr>nteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/<wbr>StarTrekDiscovery<=
/a><br>
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