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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Tue Sep 5 20:46:17 2017
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From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:07:59 -0400
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So this is what I've decided on:
'op vengmeyDaq qaSchoHpu' Daw'mey, ghIq vengmey law'Daq qaSchoHpu' je.
bI'reng
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:31 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> No, I read it only as "in (a/the) city and (the) cities", which is
>> redundant.
>>
>> What's wrong with {ngIq veng}?
>>
>
>
> 1. The canon examples of {ngIq} only give a rough idea of its precise
> usage, so...
>
> 2. I only risk {ngIq} when I'm confident what I'm saying fits one of the
> canon examples. I don't thank that's the case here. All the examples that
> fit the "one after another" usage seem to imply "all of them, one at a
> time", like checking items of a list. I think the phrase "city after city"
> is less about a sequence and more about the idea that revolutions kept
> breaking out *everywhere.*
>
> 3. {ngIq vengDaq qaSchoHtaH Daw'mey} could mean that revolutions kept
> breaking out in a single city, like the Year of the Four Emperors. Or maybe
> the plural {Daw'mey} implies multiple cities. I'm not sure, because point
> number one.
>
> But it looks like {vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je} isn't working, so I'll keep
> working on it.
>
> bI'reng
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>So this is what I've decided on:</div><div><br></=
div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0'op vengmeyDaq qaSchoHpu' Daw'mey,=
ghIq vengmey law'Daq qaSchoHpu' je.<br></div><div><br></div><div>b=
I'reng</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Brent Kesler <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:brent.of.all.people@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">brent.of.al=
l.people@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><spa=
n class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:31 PM, De'vID <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonp=
in@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span class=3D"m_-6062071059501604456gmail-"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div=
></div></span><div dir=3D"auto">No, I read it only as "in (a/the) city=
and (the) cities", which is redundant.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">What's wrong with {ngIq veng}?</div></div></blockq=
uote><div>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></span><div>1. The canon examples of {=
ngIq} only give a rough idea of its precise usage, so...</div><div><br></di=
v><div>2. I only risk {ngIq} when I'm confident what I'm saying fit=
s one of the canon examples. I don't thank that's the case here. Al=
l the examples that fit the "one after another" usage seem to imp=
ly "all of them, one at a time", like checking items of a list. I=
think the phrase "city after city" is less about a sequence and =
more about the idea that revolutions kept breaking out <i>everywhere.</i></=
div><div><br></div><div>3. {ngIq vengDaq qaSchoHtaH Daw'mey} could mean=
that revolutions kept breaking out in a single city, like the Year of the =
Four Emperors. Or maybe the plural {Daw'mey} implies multiple cities. I=
'm not sure, because point number one.</div><div><br></div><div>But it =
looks like {vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je} isn't working, so I'll keep wor=
king on it.</div><div><br></div><div>bI'reng</div></div></div></div>
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