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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Reversing the order of {-vo'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Aug 10 19:21:27 2017
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:20:52 -0400
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On 8/10/2017 7:13 PM, DloraH wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-10 at 12:25 -0400, SuStel wrote:
>> On 8/10/2017 11:52 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> ...
>> *
>> *
>>> What I'm trying to understand (and the more this thread continues, the
>>> "trying" becomes "struggling"), is why -as De'vID wrote- "the pattern
>>> is {X-vo' Y-Daq chegh} and not {Y-Daq X-vo' chegh}".
>> I don't know anything about there being a REASON it can only work that
>> way. What I know is what Voragh has already pointed out: we have many
>> canonical examples of*X-vo' Y-Daq OVS* and none of *Y-Daq X-vo' OVS.*
>> The answer to your question is "that's just the way it is."
> For me, a leading -Daq would be the location where the whole [-vo' -Daq
> chegh] is taking place.
>
> HoD - [nuqDaq beq? yuQ ghoSta''a'?]
> yaS - [jISovchu'be'. yuQ ghoSlaw']
> yuQ ghoS HoD. beq nej.
>
> Meanwhile... DujDaq puchpa'vo' vutpa'Daq chegh beq.
I don't think you'd even need to appeal to three syntactic nouns to do
that: *DujDaq puchpa'vo' chegh*/on the ship, he returns from the
bathroom./ There's probably some scoping rules baked into our
language-using brains that does this. No way to tell if Klingons do the
same.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/10/2017 7:13 PM, DloraH wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, 2017-08-10 at 12:25 -0400, SuStel wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 8/10/2017 11:52 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
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<pre wrap="">...
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<pre wrap="">What I'm trying to understand (and the more this thread continues, the
"trying" becomes "struggling"), is why -as De'vID wrote- "the pattern
is {X-vo' Y-Daq chegh} and not {Y-Daq X-vo' chegh}".
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<pre wrap="">I don't know anything about there being a REASON it can only work that
way. What I know is what Voragh has already pointed out: we have many
canonical examples of <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>X-vo' Y-Daq OVS<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> and none of *Y-Daq X-vo' OVS.*
The answer to your question is "that's just the way it is."
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For me, a leading -Daq would be the location where the whole [-vo' -Daq
chegh] is taking place.
HoD - [nuqDaq beq? yuQ ghoSta''a'?]
yaS - [jISovchu'be'. yuQ ghoSlaw']
yuQ ghoS HoD. beq nej.
Meanwhile... DujDaq puchpa'vo' vutpa'Daq chegh beq.</pre>
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<p>I don't think you'd even need to appeal to three syntactic nouns
to do that: <b>DujDaq puchpa'vo' chegh</b><i> on the ship, he
returns from the bathroom.</i> There's probably some scoping
rules baked into our language-using brains that does this. No way
to tell if Klingons do the same.<br>
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SuStel
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